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Topic: Great Chain Escape by Malloy
Message: Posted by: Webhead93 (Dec 25, 2004 10:06PM)
I just got the Great Chain Escape by Malloy Modern Magic for Christmas and am having trouble with the directions. The problem comes in between illustration 4 & 5. Actually it seems that no matter how I'm locked up I can still slip my hands out. I would appreciate some tips from others who have this as well. I'm new at escapes so maybe I'm missing something I should already know.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 26, 2004 06:13AM)
Is this escape like the siberian chain escape.
Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Dec 26, 2004 07:21AM)
http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/chain_escape.htm

Doesn't look like it.

I can't assist from only the pic, sorry.
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 26, 2004 08:18AM)
Yes, it's hard to say from the photo..

If there are [i]two[/i] rings, then it's likely to be a variation of the Siberian Transport chain. If there are [i]three[/i] rings, it will probably be a variant of the Burling Hull Chain release.

Although you say you can slip your hands no matter how you are locked up, try turning your wrist(s) a little in the opposite direction (after the padlock has been put in place) so the chain looks really tight and can be seen to be pressing into your skin! The late David DeVal explains this ruse very well on his tape. A little acting will go a long way with this type of release. With any chain release method, you must convince the spectators that the binding is [i]really[/i] tight.

Riley
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 26, 2004 05:01PM)
Are you following the instructions. as they say to do so.
Message: Posted by: RickSilmser (Dec 26, 2004 05:22PM)
Webhead...Riley has some excellent advice there, I'd follow that. Remember that most chain escapes are harder to keep on than get out off...
I still to this day use my German transport chain (at home for guests). I bought it from Joe Tanner years and years ago, I was told recently that they are no longer made...lucky me !
Message: Posted by: AJP807 (Dec 26, 2004 06:21PM)
Hey Rick, for the newbies like me who are unfamiliar with the German transport chain, would you explain the setup? Does it look similar to the Siberian chain escape? And Does anyone know where I can still get a copy of the David De-Val tape?
Thanks for the assistance.
Best regards, Tony Parisi
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Dec 26, 2004 06:23PM)
The German Transport Chain is the basis for the Siberian Chain. The difference is that the German Transport chain was/is a legitimate police restraint.

Steve
Message: Posted by: AJP807 (Dec 26, 2004 07:00PM)
Ahhh thanks Steve.
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 26, 2004 07:13PM)
[quote]
On 2004-12-26 19:21, AJP807 wrote:
..does anyone know where I can still get a copy of the David De-Val tape?
Thanks for the assistance.
Best regards, Tony Parisi
[/quote]

Tony, you should be able to get the tape from Jeanni Magic UK, same address as you got the DeVal effect "Flash Harry"

Regards

Riley
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 26, 2004 07:51PM)
Try doing a search I beleive some Magic Shops in the States might Have them to.
Message: Posted by: Webhead93 (Dec 26, 2004 09:31PM)
Thanks for the help guys. The instructions are just a set of pictures with barely any words. I guess being able to get out of them easily is not really the problem. The directions show a slight variation to use on a spec so that it would be impossible for them to get out. I've tried to follow the directions on that variation on myself but I can still get them off. I suppose that aspect of the trick is not really important because I don't think I would use it as sort of a puzzle presentation where I say "I can do it but you can't". I will probably use it in another way. I'll just have to play around with it a little more.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 26, 2004 11:53PM)
I'll call and ask them for help as well. or maybe someone put a ring in the wrong place.
Message: Posted by: AJP807 (Dec 27, 2004 07:58PM)
Riley, thanks for the post. They had crossed my mind after I posted. I'll be emailing them directly. Thanks again. Tony Parisi
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 28, 2004 02:54AM)
Webhead did you figure it out yet ?
Message: Posted by: Webhead93 (Dec 28, 2004 10:47AM)
Sort of. I think I understand the concept. It's all about setting it up so that you have enough slack to get out when you're doing it and setting it up slightly different when you tie up a spec so that they have no slack.
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 28, 2004 10:56AM)
Webhead - Let me know if your chain has TWO or THREE rings and I'll PM you.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 28, 2004 11:41AM)
I think his has two ?
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 28, 2004 11:49AM)
Don, I've sent Webhead some info by PM on the assumption that his chain has
two rings.

Three rings are not often seen these days, which is a pity because it looks
a great chain release but probably too much trouble to make.

Regards

Riley
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 28, 2004 03:07PM)
Riley Thank you and lets Hope the Guess is Correct.
Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Dec 28, 2004 03:40PM)
If it has two rings, and works like the siberian chain, the novak book on chain escapes should explain everything, including a great technique to hide the secret move.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 28, 2004 08:07PM)
Webhead one Question are you a fan of Spiderman ?
Message: Posted by: Webhead93 (Dec 29, 2004 11:21AM)
Thanks for the PM Riley! The chain does have 2 rings. One on the end and another on the 3rd link. The directions seem to say to LOCK the chain to the second ring, not go THROUGH it as Riley explained. I will try this later when I get someone to help lock me up.

Donster: I do like Spiderman but that's not why I chose Webhead as my name. I had a friend in high school that would call me a different nickname everyday and Webhead was one of them. When I got internet access I started using it for my username on a lot of different sites and chat rooms. When I joined the Café, I was so used to my real name being already taken that I automatically put Webhead93. Looking back now I probably could of put my real name.

Oh, and 93 is the year I graduated.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 29, 2004 01:10PM)
Webhead Thanks for keeping us posted. :)
Message: Posted by: Webhead93 (Dec 29, 2004 01:27PM)
Just had my wife help me test it out and it works! Thanks a lot guys!
Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Dec 29, 2004 03:02PM)
OK, then it is the siberian chain, and the novak book will guide you well.
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 29, 2004 03:12PM)
Pleased the PM helped.

If you enjoy using this (and it's a great effect, I love using it) then try to get hold of the Novak book as Mark Tripp suggests, and/or "33 Rope ties and Chain Releases" by Burling Hull. The 3 ring chain set-up is very effective, and subtle!

Regards

Riley
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 29, 2004 04:22PM)
What Novak Book does webhead need ?
Message: Posted by: Riley (Dec 29, 2004 05:00PM)
Volume 2 is "selected chain escapes" . . .

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.net/books&videos.html

Riley
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Dec 29, 2004 08:06PM)
2 and 4 I don't have looks like I'll be ordering again.