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Topic: If you float a dollar with loops......
Message: Posted by: ykstem (Jan 10, 2005 10:27PM)
Just a quick poll:

For those of you who float a bill w/loops (as I do as part of my close-up act), do you crumple the bill into a ball and float it, or do you fold it length wise and float (ala Losander, also performed on the Ammar vid), or do you just float it flat on its back?

I usually just float it as a crunpled ball, but I will somtimes do the Losander method. I do the crumpled ball mostly because I find it is a little easier for an audience to see.
Message: Posted by: AqueousMagiK (Jan 11, 2005 01:49AM)
I can't get the nack of floating a bill with loops and and I don't think it looks as magical as it does with using straight IT and a hookup (fearson, leclair, two point)

Do you have any tips for floating a bill with loops?
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (Jan 11, 2005 02:07AM)
I usually just crumble it up and float it as it can give the spectator that you can't be bothered with the note and just throw it on your hand rather then placing it carefully on the loops.
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jan 11, 2005 02:47AM)
Don't crumple the bill when letting it float using a loop.
Study, if possible, the way Finn Jon does it.

Looks like magic..not only it does float, but it pops up quite some distance vertically from one holding hand to the upper receiving hand..

I used to do this way back in the midt 1980s and often when getting the bill in a restaurant, when out travelling in foreign countries like Spain and Italy..(to check if it was too *heavy* or OK .. :)

Crumpling the bill would 100% ruin the loop!
Message: Posted by: ykstem (Jan 11, 2005 11:39AM)
I crumple the bill and float it. It doesn't ruin the loop at all. And, you can also do the same kind of rising action with the ball, having it float upwards and then pulling it back or plucking it out of the air, that Losander does with the folding version.
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jan 11, 2005 12:00PM)
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On 2005-01-11 12:39, ykstem wrote:
I crumple th ebill and float it - doesn't ruin the loop at all. [/quote]
That's OK with me.. :)
Crumple, Crumple, crumple...
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Jan 12, 2005 04:14AM)
You should rather check Finn Jon's alternative to a ordinary float. He's routine is called "The bill that falls up" and it's a more handy routine cause it uses the elastic and you get an effect that is similar to a Muscle Pass but done with a bill. It's explained in Ammars ETMTM Vol.1..

-e-
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jan 12, 2005 07:56AM)
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On 2005-01-12 05:14, Eirik wrote:
You should rather check Finn Jon's alternative to a ordinary float. [/quote]
:) Why not let the crumplers crumple?

They obviously have the wisdom and never ruin a loop by crumpling :) -and the way they do it must be better then Finn Jons- so I would suggest to just let them have their fun :kermit:
Message: Posted by: eb02 (Jan 12, 2005 09:48AM)
You may get some idea on Yigal Misika book.
Message: Posted by: AqueousMagiK (Jan 13, 2005 01:25AM)
Yeah I have Ammars DVD and have seen the bill that floats up routine but for me I thing it just looks like hmmm I don't know, rubberbandish. It's too fast for my liking.
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Jan 14, 2005 02:28AM)
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On 2005-01-12 08:56, Werner G. Seitz wrote:

:) Why not let the crumplers crumple?

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He He, true Werner, let them all try crumpling first, when they figure out it starts to get anoyingly expensive they will to follow the road of the pro's like Finn, Ammar, Losander, LeClair etc..

-e-
Posted: Jan 14, 2005 3:35am
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On 2005-01-13 02:25, AqueousMagiK wrote:
Yeah I have Ammars DVD and have seen the bill that floats up routine but for me I thing it just looks like hmmm I don't know, rubberbandish. It's too fast for my liking.

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You should try it out AqueousMagiK, practice it with the bill hooked the Finn Jon way. Practice it (work on hooking up without looking at your hands), when you feel confident - try to perform it for someone, I patter something about "if I where to go to china I would actually be upside down from where we live, what would happen if I drop something, like this bill....."
The routine never fails to get great reactions..

-e-
Message: Posted by: ykstem (Jan 14, 2005 11:49AM)
Well first, my apologies if any of my posts or tone seems like I am claiming a wisdom that I certainly don't have - in fact, that was why I originally posted this in the first place, to learn from others expereince, and to see which method others are using, and why they have chosen a particular technique.

I am a little unclear though as to why the strong reaction against a particular method; the crumpling the bill really works no differently then floating bill routines where the dollar is crumpled around regular IT, whether it is with the LeClaire animator hookup, or a one point hookup. The IT in those hookups doesn't break, and it is arguabely more fragile than the elastic used for the Mesika loops. Similarly, in 2 years of weekly close-up shows, I have not broken a loop gently crumpling a dollar around the loop once it is stretched between my hands. It doesn't mean I never break loops - I have broken lots of them in many other ways. Just not in this particular routine. Again, my intent was not to offend anyone here - just to find out what others are doing when they perform.
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jan 14, 2005 12:17PM)
@ykstem

Just do what is best for you, no point in arguing re this at all.

Just keep going, I've no objection, thing is just I've experienced what works best re loops (I made my own and I made plenty of them) for not only me, but also works best for a lot of others..

The bill that floats up to the hand held 7 to 8 inches higher then the hand holding the bill has fooled a lot of knowledgable fellow magicians NOT knowing the *secret*.

One can't do this with a crumpled bill, because it is crumplet. It's just not the same.
Apart from this, a straight bill, floating between ones hands , whilst the hands moves upwards to follow it and catch it, takes more *space* in the air, then a crumplet bill and so looks better.

It- IMHO- almost is a crime to crumple a bill for no reason at all. Maybe I would tear a bill apart for throwing it away, or I would crumple it for the same reason. But most certainly NOT for letting it flow.

Using another hook-up then a loop, it generally is accepted to crumple it around the single strand, but using a lopp (2 strands) is not needed.

Nevertheless, crumple, crumple, crumple. No reason to continue to argue. :kermit:

I waste my time, you waste yours. Crumple, crumple, crumple and be happy with it..actualy TBH, I don't care.

I made my point, I'm happy the way I do it. Why should I care how you do it, if you are happy? :)