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Well look heres the thing...it obviously uses something other than yourself and the spectator, but in the marketing world no gimmicks DOES mean that theres nothing strange, I wont say its impromptu because that's wrong, but think of any trick with cards where they claim "no gimmicks" they mean aside from the cards obviously,otherwise there is almost NO trick out there that uses no gimmick,you always need SOMETHING ill be honest, heres what you need

1)either a deck of cards or a piece of paper, to get the thought (but you probably guessed that)
2)whatever it is that will make the revelation possible which most of you might know what that thing in question is, I do NOT consider this a gimmick its something I have in my pockets not necessarily for the trick I usually have some anyways and its so small its negligible,

for anyone who knows how the classic ashes on arm works the new element here is how to get it on their arm..when to do it, how to do it....

for anyone who has never done ashes on arm, its difficult to explain whether or not its a gimmick...i would say it isn't its just something you have on you that you need to do the trick but I would never call it a gimmick.

I hope that helps,

PS: if anyone knows what I'm talking about you can give your input...please don't give away what the item is...but would you consider it a gimmick???!?!
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Hmmm not really!
I do Ashes to Arm on a impromptu basis,if iam in a pub/club I get a napkin from the bar ,go to the toilets,1min later and iam set to go.

I would never call this "thing" a gimmick but it does requires a setup and I think that some people still believe in miracles,i mean if you think that this trick would work without having something on you + without any setup.Sorry guys then you must be having real powers to pull this trick off.
But the people who allready perform Ashes to Arm know this point Smile

Well,enough talked.The NO GiMMiCK part of the advert will def. confused people,that´s for sure.Maybe replacing this text (NO GiMMiCK) with "Uses only household objects" could have been a better choice.I don't have the DVD yet so cant speak about setup´s etc.
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On 2007-06-07 13:36, cosmicsecret wrote: . . . I think that some people still believe in miracles,i mean if you think that this trick would work without having something on you + without any setup.Sorry guys then you must be having real powers to pull this trick off. . . .


Except that there are many tricks that CAN be done with no prep etc.

But that is not the point. The point is if it can NOT be done with out a "gimmick" (and a gimmick is anything secretly used without the audience knowing. Thread is a household objust, but is still considered a gimmick) or prep, then do NOT say that it can.

Doing this with no prep I can see, more so because it is done on the spec's arm, so the "prep" would be done under fire so to speack and is not done in advance, but to say that no "gimmick" is used just because it is something you already own is deceptive, in the bad way. In otherwords, lying.

Even paperclips are considered gimmicks in magic when used as gimmicks.
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Sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ass.

I've just gotten annoyed a lot with a lot of the words and phrases thrown around in magic adverts a lot.

There are many that you learn to accept and understand, like a description that starts with "Here's what the spectator sees . . . " etc that allow for creative wording that don't have to be 100 % accurat, etc, but actual claims and statements made in the advert should be open and true.

I especially think the lines like "No strings attached" which they say because they call it "thread" and vice versa should be abandoned all together.

Mind you something like no threads, when it's a wire, and vice versa I understand, lol.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I ordered it based on the ad description.
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Bruised gets the best reaction & your left without a mess as you move on to the next trick !
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Ok look, honestly some of you may be right, but I don't agree 100% with what your saying, the reason we said no gimmick is because a lot of people think that there is a stamp or something that clips onto your fingers, and so it was recommended that we mention that there is no such gimmick, so once again depending on your definition of "gimmick" I still stand strong with there is none, is a deck of cards a gimmick? no its something you use to do the trick with, so if the add mislead you guys then mark my words, you do use something but I figured that much was obvious, something has to be on the spectators arm...now Tony Iacoviello, if the one thing that makes or breaks the trick for you is this one little "gimmick" as some choose to call it, let me know the next time your in Montreal or I'll let you know the next time I'm in Massachusetts and I will myself give you back your money, as for the rest of you, please don't make me feel guilty for saying "no gimmick" its not even worth mentioning...heres the best example....Indecent, the card in ziploc, he says, "No gimmick," but that's not true...you need a ziploc bag...same thing...theres no gimmick for getting the information there, but there is [b]obviously[b] something there for the writing to appear. And TopHatter, Its cool that you like bruised, but I don't think tis fair of you to say it gets the best reaction if you haven't tried Disintigration.

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Besides guys, I think you should at least acknowledge the fact that I'm risking sales here for the sake of honesty, I could have said...no there is NO gimmick, and I'm sure a lot of you would have bought it right away. Ive had AMAZING reactions with it, I don't need to stress how much the spectators freak out when they see the darn thing on their arm, and it is EXTREMELY practical. so if one little "gimmick" is whats going to stop you from buying it, then so be it, the trick isn't for you.

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On 2007-06-08 03:58, Spidey_magic wrote:
Ok look, honestly some of you may be right, but I don't agree 100% with what your saying, the reason we said no gimmick is because a lot of ppl think that there is a stamp or something that clips onto your fingers, and so it was recomended that we mention that there is no such gimmick, so once again depending on your definition of "gimmick" I still stand strong with there is NONE, is a deck of cards a gimmick? no its something you use to do the trick with, so if the add mislead you guys then mark my words, you do use SOMETHING but I figured that much was obvious, something HAS to be on the spectators arm...NOW Tony Iacoviello, if the one thing that makes or breaks the trick for you is this one little "gimmick" as some choose to call it, let me know the next time your in montreal or ill let you know the next time I'm in massachusetts and I will myself give you back your money, as for the rest of you, please don't make me feel guilty for saying "no gimmick" its not even worth mentioning...heres the best example....Indecent, the card in ziploc, he says No gimmick, but that's not true...you need a ziploc bag...SAME THING...theres no gimmick for getting the informstion there, but there is OBVIOUSLY something there for the writing to appear. And TopHatter, Its cool that you like bruised, but I don't think tis fair of you to say it gets the best reaction if you havent tried Disintigration.

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A ziplock bag is not a gimmick, lol. Not when it is openly used like that. A bag could be gimmickED, or if you foud some wierd use for the bag in which the audience never knew it was there at all, then it would be a gimmick, but as for the lickes of Idecent, it is in no way a gimmick.

A gimmick is ANYTHING that is used SECRETLY. I am in no way bashing your effect mind you. I think it is great and should do very well. You just can't deny that it uses a gimmick.

You can't change the deffinition of what a gimmick of, lol. ANYTHING used in secrecy to acomplish an effect.

Card on celing uses a gimmikc, the wax.

Mind you I would not consider somthing like saliva a gimmick, even though it is used secretly in some effects. But anything extra, besides the objects the audience is aware of, that you have to use to accomplish the effect is, without a doubt, the exact deffinition of a gimmick.

We are just arguing semantics here mind you.

For me it is less about your effect, and more about marketing honestly, lol.

I understand where you were coming from with your description mind you, and I don't mean to say that you were intentionally lying.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Allright, here is a review for Disintigration:

I haven't performed it real-time yet, having received it in the mail only today. First of all, the gimmick question: yes, it does use a gimmick, but also, it's a simple, obvious gimmick. The real power of the effect is in the method used to make the revelation appear on the SPECTATOR's arm. On to that:

The question always was: one can hide something on one's own arm, but how can one do it with the spectator's arm? I remember a few months ago coming up with weird solutions, but none of them prevented excessive interaction with the spectator, so it was a relief to see this DVD.

Actually, after the video played for a couple of minutes, I began to think based on the gimmick, "I already know this!". But then came the actual method of having the revelation appear - on the spectator's arm, with almost NO fudging around! The method these guys give is quite intelligent: well, it's not ingenious in its concoction; BUT the eventual method is so practical/simple that most magicians, if they favor elegance like me, would absolutely love hearing this approach... as opposed to using a complicated device sold for a thousand bucks (on a different note, I think using such complicated devices conflicts with the fun of magic - magic is not magic any more if you are using a machine, as opposed to intelligence, misdirection, etc.).

How impromptu is the method? If you are forcing the information to be revealed, then, I don't want to go into denotation vs connotation of impromptu, but it's rather ready-to-go. You just need to do your force, ask the spectator to put up his arm, and voila. By the way, the ash/whatever rubbing doesn't need to be done by the performer; if properly directed, it can be done by the spectator! Regarding reset: repeat performances are fairly easy too but you need some time in between, so maybe this is not for table-hopping (but there is a variation suggested on the DVD that suggests otherwise - more on that below). Anyway, the mess from the final use of ashes/whatever (even though it's not that messy) might render it incompatible for restaurant work - although if you use pepper, it might be fine and even add a nice touch.

On the other hand, if you are revealing a free choice of information, then you need some time to do a segment of the secret method in between the spectator's choice-making and your revelation. This segment of the secret method does take the performer around half a minute based on the content, so it may be a bit hard on the street and depending on how much misdirection you use vs how much heat is on you. By the way, one reasonably well-known method of GETTING the information, for mentalism-type effects, is covered, so this is beginner-friendly too; also forcing methods are covered early on in the DVD.

The rest of the DVD covers modifications (which I found to be mostly filler) as well as variations. One variation is the mentalism-type effect I mentioned earlier. The other variation is what allows you possibly to do this table-hopping. Now, this variation is very hopping-friendly, BUT I wouldn't use it becuase in my opinion it kind of conflicts with at least one of the central tenets in this type of effect (i.e., don't be near the spectator too much, don't touch them too much, don't bring weird things near them); watch the DVD to learn more.

Final words: a bit pricey at 30 bucks; it's slightly cheaper at Penguin Magic (but then, you are only helping a multi-million dollar company get even bigger), but still kind of expensive. On the other hand, you WILL use this method - a LOT. And since there are so many intelligent minds on here, I think people should come up with improvements for this idea to minimize interaction with spectator even more (although the amount of interaction is already pretty little). I really hope the creators make a private forum for this, because the effect is rather good, but slight improvements and added touches can be made that would make it an absolute miracle. I just hope to use the effect a lot now itself, in case later the effect quickly becomes cliched even for spectators or exposed, like the original ashes on arm.

Long review, sorry.
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It sounds like everything is very well thought out and this is a very worth while purchase. Might pick it up in the near future myslef.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Spidey, this does indeed look good.

I wouldn't concern myself too much with what others may say. Obviously, take to heart what others say, especially the valid points, but don't take it too heavily. I believe you are trying your best to be honest. If your product is good (and I think it is) it will stand on its own two feet.

Any self respecting magician would KNOW there is a gimmick, just not one that will get in the way between the performance and revelation, hence your stating of 'hands are empty'.

Will be looking forward to getting this!

Take care,

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When I bought an ash pen the booklet gave a method for revealing on a spectators arm,I've always wanted to try the method but I could never find the right situation to perform the effect.
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Thanks neoepicurus for the review. Mine is on it's way.

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This is a tough item to review without giving much away. I Had the same problem with trying to answer questions for my effect "Iced Over' when we released it.

Me being a dealer and knowing what the item and this is.. Spidey is doing a good job at trying to answer everything without givein 'too' much away.

It is a good effect.. you probably will not be floored with what you get.. but his ideas are very good.. and the DVD is well done. WIll you use it, be excited, and want to try it.. Yes... Will you get a good reaction.. most likely.

Keep in mind what you'get' with the effects is a bonus.. And you are paying (as you all know) for the effect/method.
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I recieved this this morning and stuck it straight in the DVD player.

I am very happy with this and it's sooo simple and definitely something I'll be using. I didn't really know what to expect but I think it's brilliant, and even though you may not be blown away with some revolutionary principle or gadget, but you'll def be smiling (well I was anyway) at the sheer brilliance of it's simplicity, workability and the possibilities.

Some may think it's over priced and I can def see why they would think that, but then this is something you will definitely use and so I think it's worth it.

Don't let the simplicity fool you, this is great.
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I received this, watched the very brief DVD, then went to my local store for supplies. Hard to review indeed.

Part of me wanted to toss the DVD against the wall after knowing "the secret". Like Stigmata, it's so silly simple you'll instantly regret spending $18 on it. But also like Stigmata, once you perform it for real people you'll get more excited about the entire effect. My head was swimming with ALL TYPES of ideas on this. Combine with a peek wallet to see a name on their arm!

From a couple of performances, one thing's for sure - ashes is significantly more powerful than pepper, and looks a lot better/creepier. This has Halloween effect written all over it.
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Is this an original idea, because like I said earlier I saw a method for this in a booklet by Roger Bitoune(sp?)
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Yes it is original, I checked the ashpen booklet I didn't find anything that comes anywhere near, it has been researched, its new.

thanks for the review neoepicurus

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Thanks for the kind words Y2John, and DougNicols I'm sorry that the simplicity frustrated you, I hope you wouldnt have ratheres some extravagent gimmick, and yeah this definetely works with a peek wallet but I cant expose that in a DVD which is why I teach the other method, and although I agree that ahses is ALOT freakier, pepper is more practical and cleaner.

thanks for the reviews guys
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