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On 2011-05-21 14:13, smokingkills wrote:
Another way of ascertaining whether the now sold out effects still listed on the website for some strange reason were ever available in the past - would be to find a cached copy of it somewhere when they were not sold out. I wonder if that exists?

Hmmm, methinks not ;-)


Not really, since the prior site was always hidden. By the time the new site got put up, the effects had long been sold out.

BTW...someone just tried to upload a copy of the levitation onto a torrent site--thankfully, the upload seems to not include only a few pages. As far as I can tell, the secret remains secure. However, from the pages that were succesfully uploaded, I can tell whose copy got uploaded.

I have already contacted the purchaser to tell them that their copy of the levitation was compromised--so I need to look into how that might have happened. Since SmokingKills and Sicseek seem so computer saavy, maybe you guys would like to volunteer your services to help me figure out how it happened and who might have uploaded it?
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I can help - as long as me downloading a copy doesn't land me into trouble. What do you want me to do?
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Of course the cynic in me would suspect that a torrent released with vital pages missing would be a mildly elaborate attempt to add believability to the story and put end to the rumours of the effects not existing. But any help you want me to be let me know. I have an open mind.
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The holy Grail does NOT exist. Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method. The true holy Grail is one in which the ACAAN happens through true powers. So each one of us has to go on the journey and find the method we enjoy that accomplishes what it is we want.

The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.
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Probably more 'bait' but I'll play along. I struggle to see how or why someone would upload only a few pages of a book. Was it in electronic format to start with? It's not exactly the sort of thing that is done by accident. I smell a rat.

If yo wanted to find out who uploaded, you would first need to find the IP address of the uploader. If you spotted the torrent soon after it was uploaded you may have been able to see when there was only a single "seed". In which case you are in luck - that address is the uploader's.

If you suspect the purchaser is the uploader then you need to link them to that same IP address. If they are on a static ip address you might be able to do that by looking at your server logs from the day the purchased the product or perhaps from inspecting the headers of email correspondence you've had with them. If they are not on a static ip address it becomes a lot more difficult. If they have responded to your email before their IP address changed - that might be a match - otherwise the best you can probably do is ascertain that both the purchaser and the uploader use the same ISP. In short, if they are on a dynamic ip address your chances of confirming their identity are minimal. If you recorded the IP addresses of all seeds on he torrent you could potentially contact their ISPs and try to force them to disclose the identity of the account holders so you can take legal action. Not easy. But obviously if the account is in the surname of the purchaser that is a pretty strong indicator of a link. But do you know the true identity of the purchaser in the first place?
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On 2011-05-21 17:23, Cozmo D wrote:
The holy Grail does NOT exist. Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method. The true holy Grail is one in which the ACAAN happens through true powers. So each one of us has to go on the journey and find the method we enjoy that accomplishes what it is we want.

The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.


I started this post because the description given on the website appears to be the holy grail. We always talk about whether the grails exists and my only point is there is a website that claimed it sold 15 grails
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On 2011-05-21 17:23, Cozmo D wrote:

* The holy Grail does NOT exist.

* Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method.

* The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.

* The true holy Grail is one which happens through true powers.

(The sentence has been edited please.)


Absolutely!

OFF TOPIC

Here is an almost impossible looking effect that I recently shared (including the method in deatail) with one of our Café member. The effect is based on Max Maven's Kurotsuke and other similar effects.

The effect:-

1. Six small black rubber balls (each with a very small prominent color dot - 5 balls with a Yellow dot & one with a Red dot) are placed inside a black opaque bag.
(I use Squash Balls - http://www.bigbluecricket.com/dunlopprod......12.aspx)

2. Six spectators take a ball each from the bag and without looking at the ball (or the color of the dot) put the ball in their pocket.

3. The mentalist then correctly predicts who has the odd color dot ball.

That's it - So simple & straight forward. Smile

Conditions:

(a) The bag and the six balls are placed on the table.

(b) The balls as well as the bag is freely inspected by the spectator(s).

(c) The balls are then placed and mixed in the bag by the spectator(s) themselves.

(d) The six spectators are then asked to move and stand in a line (in any order they like) 6 to 8 feet away from the table.

(e) Then, for ease of identification, each spectator is given a number from 1 to 6. The numbers can be given from let to right or vice versa. This is also decided by the spectators themselves.

(g) Now one by one the spectators come (in order of their number) and take a ball from the bag and without looking at the ball put it in their pocket.

(h) During the above course of action, the mentalist is standing about 6 feet away from the table.

(i) The mentalist, without moving from his place, exactly predicts who has the odd color dot ball.

The beauty of this effect lies in the fact that the mentalist never goes near or touches the bag containing the balls from the very beginning till the end of the effect. Also the mentalist never moves from his place when making his prediction. Moreover the spectators themselves don't know what color dot ball they picked.

I am sure you will agree that this is one of the finest & totally Hands-Off Kurotsuke kind effect.

Happy thinking!! Smile Smile
(The effect can be made (by the DIYers Smile for about 20 Dollars. Also the method used opens the doors to may other possible effects - Imagination will be your only limiting factor).

Please Note: For this effect I am making use of an already know prop.

Back on Topic please.

Smile

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On 2011-05-21 17:23, Cozmo D wrote:
The holy Grail does NOT exist. Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method. The true holy Grail is one in which the ACAAN happens through true powers. So each one of us has to go on the journey and find the method we enjoy that accomplishes what it is we want.

The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.


This is assuming the effect exists to start with. At the moment there is no evidence of said effect, and we are talking about very specific effects for very specific prices on a very specific website.
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On 2011-05-23 08:02, smokingkills wrote:
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On 2011-05-21 17:23, Cozmo D wrote:
The holy Grail does NOT exist. Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method. The true holy Grail is one in which the ACAAN happens through true powers. So each one of us has to go on the journey and find the method we enjoy that accomplishes what it is we want.

The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.


This is assuming the effect exists to start with. At the moment there is no evidence of said effect, and we are talking about very specific effects for very specific prices on a very specific website.


You are incorrect, there is evidence the effect exists. A number of respected mentalists have said they saw it performend and when. You can choose not to believe them but it is incorrect to say there is no evidence---there is
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I don't count that as proof. How can they be sure what they saw performed is what is advertised on the website? It means nothing. Somebody actually owning the effect would be proof. Nobody so far has come up and said they owned it. We have a website which mysteriously appeared out of nowhere with all of these amazing sounding tricks "sold out" - and when enough hype had been achieved we had some much less remarkable effects available for sale. Suspicious? Yes!
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On 2011-05-21 23:16, Ustaad wrote:
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On 2011-05-21 17:23, Cozmo D wrote:

* The holy Grail does NOT exist.

* Every effect has a method. Their will ALWAYS be people who do not like the method.

* The Holy Grail is in the hands of the performer.

* The true holy Grail is one which happens through true powers.

(The sentence has been edited please.)


Absolutely!

OFF TOPIC

Here is an almost impossible looking effect that I recently shared (including the method in deatail) with one of our Café member. The effect is based on Max Maven's Kurotsuke and other similar effects.

The effect:-

1. Six small black rubber balls (each with a very small prominent color dot - 5 balls with a Yellow dot & one with a Red dot) are placed inside a black opaque bag.
(I use Squash Balls - http://www.bigbluecricket.com/dunlopprod......12.aspx)

2. Six spectators take a ball each from the bag and without looking at the ball (or the color of the dot) put the ball in their pocket.

3. The mentalist then correctly predicts who has the odd color dot ball.

That's it - So simple & straight forward. Smile

Conditions:

(a) The bag and the six balls are placed on the table.

(b) The balls as well as the bag is freely inspected by the spectator(s).

(c) The balls are then placed and mixed in the bag by the spectator(s) themselves.

(d) The six spectators are then asked to move and stand in a line (in any order they like) 6 to 8 feet away from the table.

(e) Then, for ease of identification, each spectator is given a number from 1 to 6. The numbers can be given from let to right or vice versa. This is also decided by the spectators themselves.

(g) Now one by one the spectators come (in order of their number) and take a ball from the bag and without looking at the ball put it in their pocket.

(h) During the above course of action, the mentalist is standing about 6 feet away from the table.

(i) The mentalist, without moving from his place, exactly predicts who has the odd color dot ball.

The beauty of this effect lies in the fact that the mentalist never goes near or touches the bag containing the balls from the very beginning till the end of the effect. Also the mentalist never moves from his place when making his prediction. Moreover the spectators themselves don't know what color dot ball they picked.

I am sure you will agree that this is one of the finest & totally Hands-Off Kurotsuke kind effect.

Happy thinking!! Smile Smile
(The effect can be made (by the DIYers Smile for about 20 Dollars. Also the method used opens the doors to may other possible effects - Imagination will be your only limiting factor).

Please Note: For this effect I am making use of an already know prop.

Back on Topic please.

Smile

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hmmmm....that's quite baffling Narendra. Smile
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Ok. I have received permission from Jeremy to reveal that I OWN the effect (as well as the soon to be released version 2) and regularly use it before lay audiences. It is exactly what was seen at MindVention.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Now I believe.

Wow, the effects sound good. Good work Jeremy.
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Why does one need permission to admit the Own said 'Effect'? it's not revealing 'Method' why the secrecy in 'Owning' an effect?


And whilst I concur, some effects should be kept out of the 'Non-Professionals' Hand, then don't release it a'tall, this charging an enormous amount of notes for a trick that no one can even know about unless they purchase it is rubbish,

if your 'Method' is that superior then don't release it, and if you choose to release it then give the people a chance to know the conditions before hand especially at an astronomical price as it is
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So, dare I ask when and to whom might the version 2 be available?
I notice that there is an empty page for it on the shockdoc website...

Incidentally, I listened to the iTricks episode in question. It may not matter, but in the description that Jamie gives, he names the card, and someone else names the number.

The full quote is something along the lines of "It's either a gigantic scam that everyone is in on, or Jeremy Weiss has the best card trick of all time."

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On 2011-05-24 19:47, Darth_Prime wrote:
Why does one need permission to admit the Own said 'Effect'? it's not revealing 'Method' why the secrecy in 'Owning' an effect?


And whilst I concur, some effects should be kept out of the 'Non-Professionals' Hand, then don't release it a'tall, this charging an enormous amount of notes for a trick that no one can even know about unless they purchase it is rubbish,

if your 'Method' is that superior then don't release it, and if you choose to release it then give the people a chance to know the conditions before hand especially at an astronomical price as it is


You sign a non disclosure agreement. Everyone who buys a product likes this knows what they are agreeing to before they buy it
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On 2011-05-24 19:47, Darth_Prime wrote:
Why does one need permission to admit the Own said 'Effect'? it's not revealing 'Method' why the secrecy in 'Owning' an effect?



There really is no such restriction. The only condition was for owners not to discuss the effect on public forums. When I said I got permission from Jeremy to state that I owned the effect, I really should have said that I confirmed with Jeremy that the restriction didn't mean that we couldn't say we owned it.

I don't understand the rest of your post as all of the purchasers knew in advance exactly what the effect was and exactly how it appeared to an audience.

I understand that original purchasers will be receiving (or have already received) Version 2 free of charge. Jeremy hasn't decided yet if it will be made available to others.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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On 2011-05-24 15:50, edh wrote:

hmmmm....that's quite baffling Narendra. Smile


And it plays EXACTLY as per the stringent conditions. There is NO mincing of words in the conditions laid down.

Back on - 'The holy grail exists?' Smile

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I mentioned earlier that I had this and was chuffed. I am astounded that V2 is even better. I didn't think it possible but Jeremy HAS done it. Thank you J for sending me this. I would have happily paid all over again. In fact, PM me with your favorite charity, please!
Jeremy has given me permission to acknowledge ownership, that's all. I am NOT ALLOWED to say anymore.

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On 2011-05-24 17:15, mastermindreader wrote:

Ok. I have received permission from Jeremy to reveal that I OWN the effect (as well as the soon to be released version 2) . . .


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On 2011-05-24 23:24, Ben Harris wrote:

* Jeremy has given me permission to acknowledge ownership, that's all. I am NOT ALLOWED to say anymore.


Ah, so this EXCLUSIVE effect (the so called HOLY GRAIL) is shared with the EXCLUSIVE few - OK, understandable. Smile Smile

And so is, MY not so EXCLUSIVE effects are shared with the exclusive COMMON few - Obviously understandable!!! Smile Smile

. . . continue please Smile

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P.S. Waiting for OTHERS to also own up. OWN UP please! Smile
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