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Better yet Jim- who needs to apologize to Dan? Why not be more specific if you didn't mean me?
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Maddy,

Like you, I was very pleased with this lecture. Everything was short and to the point, not a lot of presentation. If you are a young magician without a lot of disposable income, then this is a great lecture because so much was presented. With the lecture, there were seven of Devin's ebooks to download. If the average price is $15, then you are looking at nearly $100 in bonus materials.

I do magic and mentalism, and I can see myself having fun with kids with his Three Card Monte routine. I was stunned by the surprise finish.

Bobby
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On 2013-08-06 09:27, J-Mac wrote:
RNK,

Wow! And you don't seem to understand why some members here say that you tend to overreact and post in an overly arrogant way. You really need to read those posts more carefully and see if there is anything positive you can take from them instead of just reacting like this post.

Yes, you did send me the routine and I do appreciate it. That was just a few days ago and I haven't had the time to work through it yet, but I do thank you for sending it.

I feel that my manners are just fine. Smile But you really need to take a little time to think before you post these reactions. I don't believe that you are doing yourself any justice... You're better than that!

Thank you.

Jim


Further Jim- the one's who think my tone is arrogant is because it probably is! Because it is in response to their nonsense posts- ones who don't actually perform a trick but yet are so quick to criticize the trick. People who have been around here and perform know I give honest and fair reviews. As I will always do- I never write a biased review. Yes- I am a big enough person to admit- I have gotten a little testy lately- because of couch performers trying to tell the café about a trick they don't even perform or give a chance. Then- Dan strait up tells me to shut up? Yep- that rubbed me the wrong way- no matter what the situation was, I would never tell anybody to shut up in a public forum- not my style. So if my response to Dan telling me to shut up (in your mind) warrants an apology to him- then I would simply like you to explain since it was you who said Dan deserves an apology?

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Jim? You obviously saw my previous posts. Just wandering why you are not responding? This is another reason my posts sound arrogant sometimes- people like you post what you post then don't come back and answer.

You tell me, "Wow! And you don't seem to understand why some members here say that you tend to overreact and post in an overly arrogant way. You really need to read those posts more carefully and see if there is anything positive you can take from them instead of just reacting like this post." You also say "It IS you who is owed the apology" (meaning Dan should get an apology)

But yet- after I ask who owes Dan an apology if you did not mean me, you don't reply? Try to make me sound like I am arrogant but don't come and explain who you meant.

Sad Jim. Buck up and come out of hiding and explain who owes Dan the apology since your previous post implies that you were not talking about me and that I didn't read posts carefully enough.

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RNK... STOP! You continue to deter this thread away from the topic. I tried to bring it back on track, as have others. Now STOP. If everyone else is like me, I stopped reading your posts in this thread about two pages back. PLEASE don't post on this thread again unless it's about Devin's lecture. If you want to continue to posts pointless posts, makae a new thread titled "RNK's whining, complaining, and rudeness" Usually you provide a lot of insight on effects, and I usually enjoy reading your posts, but seriously!? Why are you still posting here!? Take this up with Jim through PM! This is no place to do it! You continue to jump from one argument straight to another. You are CLEARLY not trying to be on topic and you are CLEARLY trying to start various flame wars. There's no need. Now do not post another pointless paragraph that has nothing to do with the penguin live lecture. Thank you.

(I'm sure you will try to start a flame war against me now, since it seems to be your only hobby)
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On 2013-08-06 11:49, Magic.Maddy wrote:
RNK... STOP! You continue to deter this thread away from the topic. I tried to bring it back on track, as have others. Now STOP. If everyone else is like me, I stopped reading your posts in this thread about two pages back. PLEASE don't post on this thread again unless it's about Devin's lecture. If you want to continue to posts pointless posts, makae a new thread titled "RNK's whining, complaining, and rudeness" Usually you provide a lot of insight on effects, and I usually enjoy reading your posts, but seriously!? Why are you still posting here!? Take this up with Jim through PM! This is no place to do it! You continue to jump from one argument straight to another. You are CLEARLY not trying to be on topic and you are CLEARLY trying to start various flame wars. There's no need. Now do not post another pointless paragraph that has nothing to do with the penguin live lecture. Thank you.

(I'm sure you will try to start a flame war against me now, since it seems to be your only hobby)


Absolutely not my style Maddy. If you had a problem you SHOULD have Pm'ed me and took your OWN advice. Again- I care not what you or anybody thinks here. It's an open forum. I did not jump from one argument to another- others have had to chime in when they probably should not have- just as you did. Again- TAKE your OWN advice and PM me if you have a problem!

RNK

PS- if you look back at the beginning- I was the one who initially spoke for Devin and the quality of his lectures- which is coming to light and seen to be the case. It was others who began the bashing.
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Wow. Um. So to bring this sucker back on topic. I was in the camp of people who were skeptical (for a lack of a better word) about Devin's material. I never purchased any of his effects, and thus never said anything about his material. After reading review threads (one of those being the stopping the car one J-Mac mentions) I just chose not to purchase anything.

Seeing the comments from this lecture, however, has caused me to give Devin another look. Thanks to Maddy, Bobby and others for their reviews. I'm glad to see that it turned out well.
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Man, this guy doesn't get it. Only his opinion matters and he must have the final word. This is crazy.
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On 2013-08-06 12:05, Mindpro wrote:
Man, this guy doesn't get it. Only his opinion matters and he must have the final word. This is crazy.


Another prime example Maddy....There are a select few here that don't practice what they are trying to preach.
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because of couch performers trying to tell the café about a trick they don't even perform or give a chance

Sometimes I think you have the attitude of a preacher (in the negative sense).
There was an Italian poet who wrote these wonderful words, loosely translated here:
People give good advise when they cannot set a bad example.

So if the trick is "meh" it's because "we are couch performer", the trick "is meant for a pro audience", etc.
Then when you say: "a trick they don't even perform or give a chance". Are you talking about yourself? Because most of the people who said "meh", couch performers, hobbyist and professionals, have tried something different and said that it was better. You candidly admit that you haven't tried anything else and you claim your review is "fair". On the base of what? Of somebody who has tried the first variation to put is hands on?
Sometimes in order to defend your opinion you tend to devalue the opinion of the others.
Sometimes in order to defend your opinion you tend to devalue others (as somebody said it's the hobbyist who built the Ark while the professionals built the Titanic).
Sometimes you amazingly do both things in the same sentence.

I really love and value your opinions... but... see my signature. Smile
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EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD--- Everyone has valid and interesting points regarding forum discussions on this forum. NOW, out of respect to Devin, I think we would all agree that non-lecture conversation should take place in another thread. Let's give Devin Knight and those interested in learning about the lecture this common courtesy
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RNK, please stop trying to derail this thread any longer. It's about Devin Knight - not YOU!

Thank you.

Iain.
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RNK, please stop trying to derail this thread any longer. It's about Devin Knight - not YOU!


I am guilty too. Will continue my blurb somewhere else. Smile
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On 2013-08-06 12:23, Iain Moran wrote:
RNK, please stop trying to derail this thread any longer. It's about Devin Knight - not YOU!

Thank you.

Iain.


Ian- I want to - but others keep posting. Take notice- Take a good hard look at all my initial posts- ALL about DEVIN. That being said- I predict not to far away someone else will post again- off topic posts. I posted nothing against ANYBODY. You guys obviously are not reading from the beginning. It wasn't until Dan Harlan made the rude comment and J-Mac decided that I should apologize to him for Dan telling me to Shut Up. Again- others LOVE drama here (look at papernick- he was never involved in this thread from the beginning- and he had to come and post)!

Most Welcome and Thank You for going back to the beginning of thread and reading what I actually wrote until others de-railed the thread!

RNK
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RNK:
you have a talent at poking people with off topic comments like these:
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Yes- I am a big enough person to admit- I have gotten a little testy lately- because of couch performers trying to tell the café about a trick they don't even perform or give a chance.

and then blaming when they defend their opinion:
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look at papernick- he was never involved in this thread from the beginning- and he had to come and post

You really think you can get away with this, right? "Look it's them, I called them pig and here they are, you see they were never involved and they had to come and reply to me". Silly.
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RNK, everything you said has been duly noted. All of us have made mistakes in this thread. Let's just learn our lessons and move on. WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT THE LECTURE?
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On 2013-08-06 12:57, tjohnson.2 wrote:
RNK, everything you said has been duly noted. All of us have made mistakes in this thread. Let's just learn our lessons and move on. WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT THE LECTURE?


As I stated from the beginning- I saw Devin Lecture before- it covered most everything this lecture covered. I enjoyed all of it. It was very informative and Devin was very generous with his time afterwards. One effect that wasn't covered in this lecture but was in the lecture I saw, maybe it was and correct me if I am wrong, was Predictionary. This is a great effect, very easy to do and blows layman away. Don't know if this is still in production or not.

Papernick- as I stated prior- obviously the truth hits home when I didn't even mention your name in my post which you reference. Not to mention- you paraphrasing what I said was way off, PIGS? lol.

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Further in Pre-dictionary- you can buy those $1.00 or 0.50 cent dictionaries and after they tell you the word they are thinking of- you look up the page and show them how you already circled the word they picked! You then can hand it out to the spectator with your autograph as a souvenir. You don't have to give it to them but it keeps a nice memory for them. The price for this was very reasonable for the effect that is created. Can be done in any situation- close-up or on stage.

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I agree, it is a very baffling and powerful effect
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Here is the review for each effect as I mentioned earlier. This is the order they appear in the lecture.

AUTOBEND SILVERWARE:
This is a brilliant effect. You hold a spoon at the fingertips and it magically starts to bend upwards. the spectator can even decide which end of the spoon bends. It's very easy to make up (takes about 2 minutes) For me, this is the perfect spoon bend. I've never liked bending silverware, but this really changed my mind. It just looks like real magic. I will use this.
10/10


HOLLOW LIGHT BULB:
This one really fooled me. You take normal, working light bulb, and place it into a paper bag. You then vanish a whole saltshaker of salt. The bulb comes back out of the bag, the bag is turned over to show it empty and the bulb is now full of salt. (The salt gets poured into the paper bag) It's a freaky but awesome illusion. It's simplicity at it's finest. It is very easy to do and Devin even discusses where to go to be able to make your own Hollow light bulb.
7/10


DISSOLVING ACES:
Four aces vanish one at a time from bare hands with no gimmicks and no sticky stuff. This effect is beautiful and not that hard to master. It didn't fool me, but I'm sure that's just because I'm familiar with the method used. To me, this was one of the weaker effects of the lecture, but Devin swears by it and used this effect to book a restaurant gig. He has the experience to show it's power, but in my eyes it's almost "Too perfect."
7/10


THE BABY GAG:
A classic gag where an audience member names any celebrity, and you pull out a photo of them... when they were a baby. Devin ends by actually pulling out a picture of the celebrity. Devin has a lot of work behind this. There are various jokes throughout the routine that I found very funny. It's a very pun-filled routine that I know will bring laughs from the audience. It is a very comical routine, that ends with a killer climax of the actual celebrity. I will use this.
10/10


FARSIGHT:
Ten cards are dealt face up onto the table. The magician turns his back and stands 20 ft away. The spectator selects any card and covers the other cards up with a handkerchief so no one can see the remaining cards. They then turn their selected card face down on top of the hanky and place their hand on top. Even though your back has been turned the whole time, you are able to correctly name the card they chose from 20 ft away. I had already purchased the manuscript ages ago, but I really like the thinking behind this. It's very clever and something that can be done 100% sure-fire. I may use this.
8/10


BACKSTAGE MONTE:
A magician shows three jumbo cards. For instance, a three of hearts, seven of spades, and three of diamonds. He turns the cards facedown to show the Seven has a different colored back, or has a sticker on the back. When the seven is removed, however, it has 'magically' changed to the King of Spades. You then reveal the effect. You show that it is just a flap that the king hides under making it appear to be a seven. You do the trick again now that they know the secret. But this time when you remove the seven, instead of changing to a king, it changes to an Ace of Hearts! A true kicker ending. I immediately made this up with poker sized cards as I watched the lecture. It is a ton of fun to perform. It is very easy to do and it will fool practically any audience that sees it (especially if they are already familiar with the trick.) I will use this.
10/10


BLINDSIGHT:
Four different colored slips go into four different envelopes. The envelopes are completely opaque. A volunteer tries to determine which color is in which envelope. Whatever color they name gets written on the envelope. They then elect one color to set aside. You then show they were perfectly able to determine which color was in which envelope. Not only that, you show that you predicted which envelope they would place aside. This is an absolutely brilliant effect. The method behind this is very simple, but very devious. Devin taught the original Blindsight and then went into his new method which will make the perfect scenario about 90% of the time. This new method adds a lot to the original and takes this from a good effect to a great effect. It looks like the real deal. I will use this.
9/10


PREDICTIONARY:
A manila envelope sits on the table. You ask someone to name ANY word. You say "Wouldn't it be amazing is your word was PRINTED on a piece of paper inside the envelope!?" They of course say it would be. You then pull out a full dictionary from the envelope. A very funny gag. But you then turn to the page their word is on, and there is one word circled with permanent ink. THEIR WORD. They can look on every other page in the book, no other word is circled. You can then sign the book, and let them keep it as a souvenir. This is a very baffling effect with a very funny initial gag. Much like the baby gag, this starts funny and ends amazing. It's extremely easy to do and make up and yet completely fooling. I will use this.
10/10


TAROT SIGHT:
A full deck of 78 tarot cards are shuffled by a spectator. Once mixed, the spectator deals down the top 5 cards while the magician's back is turned, and even could be across the room. 4 people come up and each THINK of one of the tarot cards. They don't select one. They just THINK of one. You then have them concentrate on a few different aspects of the card, and with absolutely no questions asked, you are able to correctly name the card that each person is thinking of! This is based on Devin's "Foretold" effect. He said that some magicians didn't like foretold and thought it was obvious, so he came up with this method. This is a fantastic effect. It seems above and beyond fair and the method used is a devious one, no doubt. That said, I will personally never be able to perform this in one of my shows, sadly, because I live in an area were tarot cards are viewed as witchcraft and people get very uncomfortable if tarot cards get introduced. That said, I don't think it would be much of a problem to use something besides tarot cards and I will be thinking about what I can use. I HOPE to use this.
9/10


PAINT CAN SURPRISE:
A borrowed ring audibly changes places with the ball inside of a spray-paint can. A black ring then gets sprayed onto a piece of card stock with the spray-paint. When the can is shaken now, there is no rattling inside. The card stock gets signed by the spectator and folded into a small tube. Out from the tube falls her ring. When the paper is unrolled, the black spray-painted ring has vanished. I think this is another example of Devin's cleverness. The core idea is very smart and the way you can audible hear the sound change from a ball to a ring is pretty awesome. However, to me, this routine just doesn't really work. Devin tried desperately to make the routine make sense, but I think it is still a little off. I think the lecture would have been perfectly fine without this. I won't be using this.
6/10


SANDA-PANDA BOX:
A gift box is introduced and is said to contain a deck of cards, a $20 bill, and a folded playing card. The game is "Deal or No Deal" If the spectator gets any card except for the folded one, they win the $20. If they get the card that IS folded, they do not win the $20. So they have 51 chances to win and 1 chance to lose. The cards are spread face up and they name any card they see (really!) They hold onto the card and when the box is opened, low and behold, there is a deck,a $20 bill, and a folded playing card. The magician simply takes the lid off. His hands never go near the box after that. The spectator removes the deck of cards and is told to remove the cards from the box, go through the cards, and remove his selected card. If he can remove his card, he wins the $20. The spectator goes through every card. Their selection is not in the deck. They then remove the folded card that is still inside the gift box and it is indeed the freely selected card. This is based off of a very clever principle. The box is 100% normal. It isn't gaffed in any way, and yet you can do TON'S of effects with it. It is a very clean prediction device. The included PDF covers a few effects to use with the box. I will most definitely be looking for a box that meets the needs (shouldn't be too hard.) I want to use this.
9/10


DUMBFOUNDED:
This is an ACAAN plot using two decks. One of which you never touch. No gimmicks or duplicates. When this first came out a while back, I saw the demo and thought "Seriously, Devin? You are selling THIS? It is so obvious, no one would be fooled by that." Yet, I stand corrected. Devin's performance was fantastic in the lecture and the fact that he was shuffling the deck with real shuffles, really fooled me. In the end, it's a pretty good effect. For me though, it will not be going into my plethora of ACAAN effects. I will not use this.
7/10


AROUND THE SQUARE:
A square is cut from a newspaper. When opening the newspaper, the square visibly morphs into a circle. A very visual effect. Devin presents the effect as just described, but he also mentions forcing a circle with esp cards, cutting the square saying you've cut their shape, and then revealing it to be a circle. I really like the simplicty behind this and I think the visual change from square to circle is astounding. Btw, Devin invented this when he was NINE! Woswza! I will be using this.
10/10


CLIP LINE EXTRAORDINAIRE:
Two newspaper articles are shown and numbered. One has a '1' drawn on the front and one has a '2' drawn on the front. Two predictions are handed out from the very start. The papers are held together and the magician has a spectator read the top line of the news, then he clips off a line and has them read the next line, he continues doing this a bit and then starts cutting faster and tells the spectator to stop him. When he stops, the magician brings the other piece to the front and (holding both of the articles together again) begins to clip away from the BOTTOM. Once again, the spectator reads the bottom line as he clips proving that is really is changing. He starts clipping faster, the spectator stops him. He immediately hands both articles out to the two people with the predictions. They read the predictions which may say "The top line of article 1 will read: Firefighters unite to bring" when they read the top line of article 1, it reads exactly that. The other prediction may read "The bottom line of article 2 will read: Cats destroy man's" and when they read the bottom line of article 2, it reads exactly that. There are no switches of the articles or of the predictions. This one fooled me badly. That said, Devin is very honest in the lecture and says "Magicians love this, but laymen find it boring." I have to agree. It is very smart and will fool almost any magician but a lay crowd may find it underwhelming. For that reason alone, I will not be using this. BUT it's still great!
8/10


CHESS GAMBIT:
This is the last effect taught in the lecture. A chess board is sitting on a table. A volunteer is handed a chess book with a slip of paper folded and sticking out of the top. The magicians says "I will not touch the book again, but my wife is a psychic. I gave her a red crayon, she circled one of these chess pieces in the book and then wrote the page number on that slip of paper so we can find it quickly." A spectator joins the magician, blocks the chess board from everyone's view, grabs ANY chess piece, and places it into a paper bag to be hidden from view. The slip of paper is read aloud, the volunteer holding the book turns to that page, names the chess piece that is circled, And when the spectator removes the chess piece from the bag, it is the exact one that the wife circled. They can flick through the book to be sure there are no other marks. And there aren't. This is another BRILLIANT piece. The whole working is just beautifully done. According to Devin, 90% of the time, you will have an absolute miracle on your hands! But even if it doesn't work perfectly, the effect doesn't change at all from the audience's perspective. The spectator can really take any piece and you never see the actual piece until they remove it from the bag. You can use any chess board. I really really like this. I think it's killer. I'm not sure how my audiences would like it, but I definitely want to give it a try. I may use this.
9/10


STREAMLINED KORAN PAPER TEAR:
This is from the lecture notes provided. It's basically a way to force a certain piece of newspaper on someone after you tear the paper up. It is very very clever and if I can find a use for it, I will use it.
10/10


POKER TELLS:
This is from the lecture notes provided. This is the forerunner to Blindsight. It's workings are practically the same, but you use aces instead of colored cards.
8/10


RETRO-SIGHT WORD LIST:
This is from the lecture notes provided. You show a stack of cards with various words on it. You then show how the words are reversed in a mirror. You then take one of the cards, and with a little magic, it now reads correctly in the mirror but its not reversed in person. You then show every other card in the mirror. Each card is reversed in the mirror, yet with a little magic, every card now reads correctly in the mirror! And every card is now reversed in person! No switches of any kind, and the words are only printed on one side! I like this one a LOT. It is very very clever, but it is a little limited as you have to have a mirror to perform. It would be nice to do at a house party or something. I will use this.
10/10


The PDFs provided are: Around the Square, Autobend silverware, baby gag, Blindsight, Chess Gambit, Clip Line Extraordinaire, Dumbfounded, Farsight, Lecture Notes, Tarot Sight


That's all from me. And only took me 2 hours to write XP
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