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Nealfr New user 5 Posts |
Oups .. A lot of great stuff out here ...
I think first of all it's up to you to decide to be magician or not. If you want to be a magician, then you need first to respect the rules (know your trick, train a lot, never tell the secret to a non initiated ..)and enjoy what you're doing. As it was said previously, tht's your part, but only the public will tell you if you are or not a magician. People must dream when they see you, they must be in the middle of where you wanted them to be, and here you are magic. Only performing techniques is not being magician (for me)
Train and you'll get the trick
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Wayne Hackler Regular user 139 Posts |
I heard a quote years back as it pertained to writing that went something like this, "If from the time you wake up until you go to bed thinking you're about writing and writing itself, then you're a writer". So I suppose that that changing the context from writing to magic would produce a very applicable saying, "If from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed you're thinking about magic and performing magic itself, then you're a magician". I feel that this is aplicable in addition to some of the commments above. Great topic everyone.
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Whitewolfny Loyal user 216 Posts |
To call yourself a magician means you have accepted the rules and ethics of that profession just as in my day job I am a profession buyer for my company. I belong to the purchasing association and adhere to the rules of conduct required of a professional buyer. I don't do a lot of magic in public right now, but I am a proud member of the S A M for 36 years and I follow the rules of conduct set forth in the bylaws of the organization.
Not too long ago I did a paddle trick at work. I wasn't sure if I liked it or if in fact it would fool anybody as the instructions assured me it would. When I finished the trick, the young lady looked puzzled, confused, shook her head and said "You are a wizard?!" both as a question and statement. So in my mind, I follow the SAM code and I can do magic to amaze and entertain. You bet your bippy I'm a magician, even if I'm not on stage every night.
Braxton Mannar
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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
To me a magician is not someone who knows a lot of tricks, not someone who can present a good trick with their own style, and not someone who is technically skilled in sleight of hand....the magician has an understanding of how the magic works (not the trick). They understand why people can be amazed by something so simple....a magician should know why he gets the reactions he does when he does and how to manipulate perception not objects...once a person can manipulate a persons perception then I believe they are a magician
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Owen Thomas Special user 504 Posts |
For example. If no one enjoys a Musician's songs. He is a bad Musician but he still is Musician? Same thing for Magic?
I think we become "Magicains" when we deciede when to do magic. |
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Yo,
This is a great question. If you were to ask this 100+ years ago it would be easily answered. The knowledge needed to become a magician was rare and generally aquired by dint of apprenticeship with someone considered...'a magician'. Magic shops, what ones that exsisted, were entered by appointment or friendship with the owner. It was in many ways a closed shop. The "masters" of the art decided when and who would become one of the brotherhood. That's all changed. Enter you local magic shop and buy a Svengali Deck. Learn to do it some competantly and ZAP! you are a magician. So the answer is simply that now days anyone who declares themselves a magician IS in the modern sense a magician. Bad? Probably. But, with magic it is the way that it is. You can't get away with this in other performing crafts such as dancing, singing, comedy, etc. In those if you are 'bad' you simply don't get the chance at legitamacy. But, not so magic! And, that is why magic will always have more loving adherents who by dint of sheet numbers and crativity will push magic far beyond most of the other performing crafts. It's that very fact that so many differing KINDS of intelligence can come into magic unhindered that makes magic unique and powerful despite that ever present feeling that magic is just a little bit above what a con artist does. That's ok. That's what magic is and personally if that ever changes I believe magic will lose that edge that makes it so much freaking fun to do. Best,
Brad Burt
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TommyTheTremendous Regular user 151 Posts |
In my opinion,
You are a magician when you think you are to your audience AND when you KNOW that your audience says you are. Anyone can do a sleight or a card trick if they wanted, but it is all with the presentation, interaction, and communication between the entertainer and his/her audience that makes it what it is.
- Tommy Magic
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Kent Wong Inner circle Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 2458 Posts |
This is a really great thread. I think the starting point has to be some objective definition of what a magician is. I belive that Darwin Ortiz defined a magician as "A person who uses magic as the primary tool with which to entertain others.
I've always liked this definition because it helps keep me focused on the key elements of being a magician. For instance, 1. "person" - you need to let the audience connect with your personality. Audiences don't connect with tricks. They connect with people. 2. "magic as primary tool" - many people incorporate comedy and other forms of entertainment while they are performing magic. This is fine so long as the comedy is used to enhance the magic rather than vice versa. This can be a fine line. Are you a comedian who happens to perform some magic tricks, or are you a magician with a comedic sense of timing and a sharp wit? 3. "entertain" - at the end of the day, the magic we perform, and the way we perform it must be entertaining to others. It is our job to momentarily suspend their sense of disbelief and take them away from their everyday stresses. If you can fulfill these elements, YOU ARE A MAGICIAN. It has nothing to do with your years of practice or the types of tricks you perform. It has everything to do with how you perform them and effect you have on the minds of the spectators.
"Believing is Seeing"
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David Fletcher Loyal user 238 Posts |
What defines a magician? It is a self diagnosed condition. If you do one trick, you may be a magician. If you do it well someone else will think so, too.
You have to give it away to keep it.
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