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joker 55 Special user England. 711 Posts |
How can I go about this, any ideas, I am into card and close up magic, but never done any escapes, I have started lockpicking, so has anyone got any ideas, also does anyone know any escapes impressive but on a small scale.
j55 p.s. I am on a small budget. thanks |
RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
Hey Joker,
Small budget is no problem. Find a book about rope or chain escapes then get a length of rope, a length of chain, a couple of locks and practice, practice, practice! Did I mention practice??? Good luck and enjoy. Rob |
joker 55 Special user England. 711 Posts |
Thanks, this is good any thing you cuold recommend?
j55 |
RickSilmser Special user 869 Posts |
RJE...you took the words right out of my mouth! Rope and chain ties are great ! And cheap ! And visual ! Burling Hull has a good book on rope and chain work...so does Percy Abbott.
~Rick~ |
joker 55 Special user England. 711 Posts |
Thanks, these are going to help me,
someone, and others, have told me that escapes aren't very entertaining as magic, what do you think is it just the way you should present it or what, j55 p.s. am I best getting real handcuffs that I can pick, or gimmicked handcuffs as I want them to be examanable? ad how muck are these handcuffs? thanks |
The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
John Novak also has a few books out. and the Encyclopedia of Escapes.
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RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
Hey Joker,
You can check out the Cannon's Escapes web site for a good line of products or Pastor Clyde's. (Sorry I don't have them at my fingertips, but they are given throughout these threads.) As to real or gimmicked???? Well that is really up to you. There are some who believe that unless they are real, then you aren't real. There are some who will say the illusion is just as strong as any real escape. Houdini was often creating an illusion of making an escape a lot more difficult or impossible than it really was. Having said that, he also had a very real knowledge of lockpicking and real escapes. You need to find out where you want to be on this scale of opinions. Have fun, it's a great jouney. Rob |
Dr_Stephen_Midnight Inner circle SW Ohio, USA 1555 Posts |
Another word for close-up: THUMBCUFFS.
Steve
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Daniel Santos Special user 562 Posts |
As Dr. Midnight said, Thumbcuffs for close-up, and try to find books with various thumb ties and other rope ties that don't use a ton of rope (rope can easily be carried in your pocket)...a small Siberian Chain Escape works well close-up too. Not too big, fits in your pocket, professional escape.
Good luck! Daniel |
MattTheKnife Veteran user 356 Posts |
While I don't personally think that there's anything wrong with gimmicked cuffs I'm often reminded of what they used to say in English class about grammar and poetry. "First you need to learn the rules before you can begin to break them."
You can even think of cards. When you're first learning to do card tricks it's typically recommended that you start by working with a normal sized deck. This is because a bridge sized deck may seem easy, in the long run you're better off starting hard than you are starting easy. Plus if you really want to ever get serious about escapes then the inner workings of your standard handcuff is simply a requirement. And if none of that convinces you then let me also add that gimmicked cuffs (when gimmicked properly and professionally) will ALWAYS be more expensive than just the regular cuff. That's because they ARE the normal cuff but then on top of that you're paying a professional to alter them. And since, as you said you're budget is already tight this might allow you to get a bit more bang for the buck so to speak. Bye the by, I also agree with the crowd about ropes and chains being a great place to start in escapes. |
The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
Percy Abbott also used to do a Thumb Tie ?
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts |
Hey Joker,
First, the sites are http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com and http://www.mighellsillusions.com. Both sites are great places to give you ideas about what type of stuff is available. Plus I can say that both give great service. You may also want to check out http://www.ealib.org, this is the escape artists reference library and offers a wealth of knowledge with books written by some of the great escape artists alive today. Hope this helps, Ros
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joker 55 Special user England. 711 Posts |
This is really good stuff, thanks to everyone who contributed!
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The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
Joker Your Quite Welcome.
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Wolflock Inner circle South Africa 2257 Posts |
Cableties are also great for close up. But you will have to practise with them.
Wolflock
Pro Magician & Escapologist Member of JMC (Johannesburg Magic Circle) South Africa |
The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
Anything you do its Practice Practice and More Practice.
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cuffzz New user 12 Posts |
Hey joker 55,
I have an idea for you, if you are doing magic why don’t you do twist ties? I think Mac King has it in one of his books, sorry not sure what one; if someone out there knows let him know. Or try a Siberian chain escape, reel easy to do. Here is one that is only $10.98 and looks pretty good. http://www.thecostumer.com/store/subcat.cfm?subcatID=240 With regards to handcuffs… I think that it all boils down to how entertaining it will be for your audience, because that’s who it’s for right? I my self would not pick cuffs on stage in front of an audience for reel but I would LIE and say I was. I would save picking for a reel escape like a jail or something you have the time to do it. But that’s what I do, I’m not saying you should do that only that it works for me. Good Luck! Ryan |
The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
Mac King also had a few tricks. on a kids meal thing from Kentuck Fryed Chicken. I'm not sure if they have any left but I think a twist tie was one of them.
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