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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
USPCC does not use plastic on the Bee, Bicycle, etc. cards. There "Linen", "air cushion", etc. finish is water based which is why alcohol and water damage and/or alter the finish.
To my knowledge, they changed their "finish" formula about 10+ years ago. This is the main problem behind the cheap "Juice" being sold on the market today. However, I do agree with your comment about why inks look different when applied on top of their finish vs. directly onto the palying card paper.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Emm.. When I suggested here over printing using a "Laser Printer" every one said: No No the plastic will melt!
OK I just put a Bicycle card between a sheet of paper and sent it through a heat laminator machine and the result was it had no effect on the card. Then I used a hot steam iron again no effect. So I think Expertmagician is correct. I do not have a laser printer and I am not telling guys to try it but I do not think the card would melt if you used one to overprint logo or whatever. Tommy It has put a crimp in the card that seems hard to get rid of.
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
The laser printer sounds like an interesting idea...I am not sure how you would keep the card straight since the rollers on the printer are probably too far apart and you will jam....but, I bet you will be able to create some interesting effects...especially if you use blank face or blank backed cards to print on.
As far as solutions are concerned...Try putting a drop of alcohol on a card then let light reflect off the back at an angle and you will see the effect of a cheap juice that is alcohol based. Just smell the juice or luminous solution and you will know if there is alcohol or an alcohol derivative. Keep away from those less expensive juice or luminous solutions which will damage the finish of your Bees, Bicycles, etc.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
My guess is the cards are printed by the litho process which uses oil based inks, and varnish that is not a plastic coating or water based.
At the moment I am of the opinion that the finish is an oil based varnish. Litho printing presses are like 6 separate machines in a row all connected together, a different ink on each one. Oil based varnish is like a clear ink. If that is the set up then they would just put a the vanish on the end part of the 6 colour press. So they would be printed and varnished in one pass through the machine. Ok I will have a go but when you say "alcohol" do you mean spirit not beer because spirit will effect oil based inks. and varnishes and that would not show it was water based. Water might effect the card simply because the varnish does not cover the whole card as it is printed in millions of dots with spaces in between them, where water could get into contact with the paper. If I am right the best ink for marking would be an oil based ink. Not alcohol based like you get in markers and pens. Printing ink might be best but it is a very thick constancy and not easy to apply by hand. Tommy
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I am not a chemist....but, when I say alcohol, I am referring to common alcohol in a drug store, denatured alcohol, ether, etc....these and other variations will damage the finish of the cards.
I tried printers ink and like you said, it was too thick and not practical....I even tried thinning it....no luck. But, these were old experiments I did about 8-9 years ago after I found out USPCC changed their finish.
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keilunmagic New user 67 Posts |
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On Feb 15, 2005, luismagic wrote: Update from 2019: blue has changed to PMS 281 for Bee, 808, Mandolin and Maiden backs. Interestingly, it seems to match also Phoenix cards. |
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Chris Aguilar Special user 540 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2019, keilunmagic wrote: You wouldn't happen to know the proper pantone value for bicycle face Yellow would you? |
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2239 Posts |
To expand on the post a couple above - USPCC Blue has been PMS 281 for AGES. I've been producing custom decks for over a decade, and the Blue has been 281 for that entire time. I don't know when an earlier switch may have happened (This thread started in 2005, I made my first deck in 2009) but 281 was in use long before 2019. And of course, Card-Shark knew the Pantone colors for Bicycles and chose to use the same for Phoenix to provide a match.
Chris, the Court Pantones are: Blue: 2945 Yellow: 116 Red: 186 (Same as used on Red Backs)
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Chris Aguilar Special user 540 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2020, Mercury52 wrote: Thanks! The idea is to test those values with my open source Vector Playing Card Set. https://totalnonsense.com/open-source-vector-playing-cards/ |
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