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layman New user 18 Posts |
Is "play magic" that funny??
I am from hong kong and I translate chinese to english, that's my poor english problem. anyway, I mean they are learning magic. the western world is very aware about the copyright law, right? but actually in asia, or just in hong kong, we aren't much aware of that. maybe it's because of different culture. but mine are the legal dvd directly purchased from internet. are there anyone from hong kong here as well? |
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Layman, now it looks like we are teasing you, and I don't want it to look like that. Yes, saying that we "play magic" is a little funny to us! It makes it sound like we are children playing with toys, like "playing cops and robbers". Anyway, I know what you meant, but it just caught me as funny. Please don't take offense.
Maybe from now on you may want to say "perform" magic, or "practice" or "study" magic. Hope this helps you! |
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Andrew Loh Inner circle Malaysia 1455 Posts |
Hi Layman,
If you don't want to lose your friend or cause your friend angry, why not try to be more SECRETIVE and try not to let them know of your new purchases. You know, I know it sounds not good as a friend, sometimes in order to preserve friendship, someone have to do on this way. Hope this helps! All the best, Andrew Loh Check out my new card magic eBooks "The Magnificent Queens" & "Triple Charms" at: www.cardicianden.com My Cardician Den Blog: http://pasteboards.blogspot.com/ |
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
I'm sorry but Andrew above has the only answer.
Friends do pressure me and try moral blackmail on a regular basis. Not just with magic. Its normal with a lot of people; they learn it as children. To refuse will probabily cause them to accuse you of the one taking advantage of them. As to claiming its wrong and against copyright, they will laugh ! Its no harm they will say. But - I have several groups of friends who swop dvd's and some belong to more than one group, so, any dvd I lend may finish up being passed on to any number of people. It has happend ! The only answer is to keep your collection a secret and do not borrow or lend anything. Having said that I may lend to a beginner who I could trust !! As I see it you have no real choice - the harms done - lend the dvd, but make them promise that they will not pass them on. Better excuses than the ones given are that it was a present and you were told not to lend it, or point out to them that the three of you doing the same tricks means that none of you can do them. The above seems very cynical but I've been through this both with video's and records. |
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Illogician New user 22 Posts |
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On 2005-02-20 13:48, Cardiac Arrest wrote: I 2nd this. BTW, let them learn it from you, not the DVD. What a good business opportunity to be the first to earn from the magic business. Or else they'll be the one getting the $$ from the business opporunity through your "free" DVDs.... Just a thought... |
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travisb Special user Vancouver, BC 546 Posts |
Personally, I thought that saying "play magic" was actually a subtle and creative way of describing your friends' uncommitted approach to magic. It sounded a little bit odd, but I thought it was justified by being descriptive and to the point.
Don't worry about making so called "mistakes" like that. I think you probably did a better job of communicating than many native english speakers might have done, by your willingness (albeit unintentional) to step outside of the conventional idiom. -Travis |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
Invoking "copyright" laws and so on as a reason not to copy a DVD for a friend will have you labelled a prig and, frankly, a tosser. Imagine saying "Oh, sorry, mate - I can't photocopy that newspaper article for you, it happens to be the copyright of News Corporation. You'll have to buy your own copy of the paper."
What an idiot you'd be. Instead, be honest. Say, "Bugger off and buy your own DVD's, you freeloaders. I want to be the best magician among us, that's why I've spent the money." Or say you'll lend it to them in return for a loan of a book or video or DVD of theirs. If they haven't got anything to lend you in return, then tough. |
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jocce Regular user 136 Posts |
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On 2005-02-23 08:00, ross welford wrote: Exactly! And why spend money on entrance fees? Just copy somone elses ticket. It's easy with todays photocopiers. Noone should have to pay for stuff they really want, especially when there's an easy way to get it anyway. The authors and distributors are rich enough. They don't need to rip me off. Or...? |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
Jocce, the question remains: would you refuse to photocopy a newspaper article for a friend? Or send someone a movie clip as an MPEG? Or videotape a TV show...
My point (and it's getting slightly OT) is that there is a degree of low-level copyright infringement that virtually all of us are guilty of some of the time and it just doesn't matter! On the grand scale of things, lending someone your magic DVD and making him a copy of it amounts to the same thing: he's getting the benefit of DVD instruction without paying for it, and the magician who made it is receiving no extra payment for the additional viewings. By invoking "copyright infringement" as a reason for not making a copy of his DVD for a friend, the original poster risks being regarded as a twat. My point was that he's better being honest and simply telling his mates that he wants to keep the information to himself. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I do lend or give away materials to some. The performance only clips are great ways to decide if a trick is interesting.
As something of a scholar in the field, of course I copy out small sections of items on occasion and even annotate them for discussion with other interested parties. The few things that I work on or study... are originals/purchased items. Many of the goodies in magic are available via H&R books in Texas and many of the older works are right there for you at http://www.lybrary.com just a click or two away.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts |
I think you're right with respect to low level copyright infringement, Ross.
I suggested that the DVD was lent out and that's probably not strictly legal either. Many published works include conditions that they shall not be lent, hired, broadcast, or otherwise resold. On reflection it could be honesty is the best policy. That might lose some friends, but they'd be pretty shallow friends not worth having anyway, if they rejected you because of that view. |
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chrisrkline Special user Little Rock 965 Posts |
I know it comes off as being a prude, but I am saddened that so many say don't copy, but you can lend. These are not your routines. You can perform them, but the idea that you can just lend them out is not right. You need to get into the habit now that you and your friends are not going to open a personal library of material to lend out to people on a whim. The level of their commitment or interest is not relevant. It is easy to say, "I will lend out these DVDs only if they are really serious about magic." But watch how many seconds it takes to decide that your friends are really serious--probably two. The minute you decide that it is OK to lend out to serious friends is the minute you have decided to lend it out to all of your magic friends. Who else but your magic friends really want to learn the secret of Bill Malone’s version of Reset? Before you know it, you and your friends have each bought five DVDs and yet seem to have access to twenty or thirty DVDs worth of material.
How poor you are is not relevant either. You are not guarantied by life to have full access to every neat thing in every hobby you do. Tell them to be patient and save up their money. We spend so much time in magic worrying about the secrets that lay people might learn, when most of the real problems happen when magicians fail to treat the secrets of magic with any respect in our dealings with other magicians. We are the ones who are in a frenzy to learn all the latest secrets, watch all the latest DVDs, and have access to all the latest books. Lend out to your friends all of your original material you like. Show your friends, as Jonathon says, the performance parts of the DVDs, but make them buy the rights to perform the effects. Then you can all sit around and share all you want. If you want cheap, all of you pick up your own copy of Erdnase, or Royal Road to Card Magic, or Bobo’s and share to your hearts content.
Chris
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bsears Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 1040 Posts |
You should always consider lending material to another magician. That's just polite. You should NEVER lend to lay people just after the secrets or to magicians unable to use or appreciate them.
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