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EDGE New user 24 Posts |
Ive recently watched all the ellusionist videos, art of astonishment volume 1, Oz pearlman's born to perform card magic, and have some others.
Now how much magic does someone have to learn. In all those videos theres like 50 tricks, do you have to learn them all, or the ones you like? what if you like a lot fo them? I'm just not sure because videos contain so much information I don't know how muc to keep, like how many tricks are good enough to know? By the way does anyone know how many tricks the pros know like Paul Harris or Michael Ammar? As well, I was planning to watch Michael Ammars Easy to master card miracles volume 6 I believe. If ive already watched all the ones ive listed, is this one neccessary? anyways, thanks guys! |
mgical Regular user 195 Posts |
How many tricks do you watch? As many as you can is the only answer.
Do you need to learn them all? No, as time goes on you will learn what suits your style and will be able to focus. But this comes with time, there is no short cut. As far as how many tricks to pros know I would be guessing into treble figures....how many do they have in their repetoire to perform I would think they limit this to double figures. Maybe even as few as 20, rotating stuff in and out. But they know these tricks inside out, many different methods and scripts will have been tried and discarded to get it there. Some people can learn a million tricks, but how many can they do well? Everyone is different, bit like languages some struggle, some pick them up in a week! At the end of the day, you don't have to learn any, or you can learn them all. We all do this for fun don't we? But better to do a few well, than a million badly. Knowing the method is not knowing the effect. My two cents. |
Grimm Regular user 134 Posts |
Got to agree here. One perfect trick is worth a million mediocre ones. There's obviously no number you should or shouldn't learn. The main point is to really know the tricks you've learned, know them so well that they're second nature.
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Paddy Inner circle Milford OH 1571 Posts |
One of the members here has as his sig line words toi the effect "it is better to do a few things VERY WELL than to do many things average" or words like that. I can do a lot of effects, I use only about 6 or 7 tricks in my shows. When I do restaurant work I use cards and some slieght of hand so that I can do about 12 tricks so that tables nearby don't see the same effect and amy spot the secrets.
Remember that magic is all about the KISS plan. Keep It Simple Stupid. |
fullmindpower Regular user 123 Posts |
Yeah I agree with you all..but I'd like to add something....
I think its not a bad idea to learn tricks with as many different types of objects as possible , instead of focusing on just a few common ones ( cards, coins...) I mean you should expand your trick repertory with various types of magic rather than collecting ideas of what you can do with only a couple of them.. There are so many tricks on card or coin or rope magic that you don't really need to learn them all..besides I'm sure that you already have learned a lot of good ones and doing them perfectly and constantly .... however, look around , randomly pick an object, would you may able to do a trick out of it.. Imagine doing a trick with whatever a person hands u... |
EDGE New user 24 Posts |
Thanks for all your replys I'm gonna take them seriously. I'm really into cards and am going to focus on doing tricks the right way, not learning thousands of new ones. If you could recommend any good just "cards" teaching videos, things related to Blaine (don't hate me now) I'd really appreciate it, thanks.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I think derek Dingle only performed about 6 effects for laymen. Same tricks-different audience. That's the way the pro's do it.
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
It requires great discipline to keep practising the same routine over and over again. But keep at it and it will pay off
For cards, once you get the basic sleights like DL etc, you will find that it will make life easier for you in further effects cheerios
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
It is nice to learn as much magic as possible. 50 tricks is nothing! you don't need to learn many, but it helps to know as much as possible to create a solid routine.
With around 4 or 5 moves, a talented magician can make an amazing routine. I try to learn as much magic as I can. but that is just me...
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zippy New user PA 54 Posts |
A lot of good replies to your question Alusion. Just settle into what works for you and work on them. Do them over and over until they are like second nature.
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liltut New user 61 Posts |
What I do to find a good trick... is have somebody preform it on you and don't TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT!!!! if you are amazed, mystified, wondered, or crapped your pants, learn that.
oh yes.. card magic along the lines of Blaine... have you checked out some of Jay Sankey's Stuff? I think its really good |
Frank Russell Regular user Atlanta Georgia 128 Posts |
I have become an Ammar junkie. I have every DVD from the Easy to Master series. I think if you can take one or two favorites from each DVD, you get your moneys worth. It is similar to a CD. The artist may only have 2 or 3 songs that you listen to on the 15 song CD. Why do you only listen to those? Because you like them and you enjoy them. Magic tricks and illusions are the same for me. And pertaining to Card Miracle 6 from Ammar, yes, you should get it. There are a couple of Larry Jennings effects on there that were great. Oil and Queens is very good. Card Miracles 7, 8 and 9 are very good too.
I was curious after my last post. Oil and Queens is a Roy Walton effect. It is not from Larry Jennings however there are 2 effects from Jennings on number 6. |
DavidKenney Inner circle 2178 Posts |
Once you get some good sollid effects - remember to change your audience - not your effects. "old tried and true" can sometimes be better than shiney and new.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
The great thing about Magic is that there is always something else out there to learn. But after you learn your first few tricks, change your focus from learning tricks to learning principles. You will get a good idea of how a lot more tricks are done and can create your own. I think every magician found themselves buying some "trick" to discover it was just a different means of presenting a trick he already knew. If you learn principles, that won't happen to you (so often). (OK, so I at one time owned 5 square circles, but hey, I had to learn too). Most magicians do only a small protion of the tricks they know, tricks that fit their style, personality, and get good audience reaction. The rest we do to both learn and entertain ourselves. When you have been around over 40 years in magic, like I have, you end up with a storehouse full of magic apparatus, but still only use a couple or dozen (or less) tricks you regularly perform. Pick a focus area and start to learn principles there. Like card magic (get Daryl encyclopedia of card sleights (DVD or book) and learn card sleights. Or Bobo's coin magic and learn coin sleights. Or some other area that you can specialize in, then learn the principles involved with the magic in that genre.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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One for the Money New user 46 Posts |
If you are looking for "Blaine" type effects, which I'm assuming you just mean effects done in the hands, while standing. I second looking into Jay Sankey effects. He has a lot of great, quick, powerful effects that you won't need a table, or mat to perform.
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Pablo Leal Regular user Chile 187 Posts |
Edge,
Arturo Ascanio was a real good spanish magician who sadly died a few years ago. He said he only was able to perform 2 or 3 perfect rutines, as he had studied them for an endless period of time. That, he used to say, is very commun for all real masters in our art, wich I personally think are not too many. My point is, yes, learn all the tricks you can get and move from one field to another (cards, coins, impromptu, stage, etc.), but study each an every GOOD trick (maybe just good for you or your performance...) the best you can as posible. Dai Vernon knew an endless list of tricks, but only a few where his master's pieces. The same goes to all of us in general (perhaps just in a little different level ). Magicians in general know tons of tricks and keep learning more over the years. Our job is to seek out and work with the ones we most like and try to bring their best use out to surface. It is hard and it does take a lot of time, but the apreciation of our own audience it's rewardless I think. Study every little detail of your performances and try to constantly think what trick could suit best to what part of you act. Lot's of good magicians take notes every time they perform so they can, later on, change and better their own acts. Lots of studying and a lot of heart... those are the basic tools you need for this art. Greatings
"The one that seeks for the truth takes the chance to find it". Isabel Allende
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babyjoe Regular user Essex, England 113 Posts |
Remember EDGE its not quantity but quality, some people get annoyed by watching too many similar tricks, you need a variety of tricks, and don't keep it on too long, also, try looking for effects that involve volenteers, like signing a card, holding something, as they will remember it, and maybe give them a souvineer to remember their experince, here is some of the stuff I reccomend
Bizzare Twist/Cros Twist, maninly because of the kicker ending, some people start to work out how you do the card turing face-up and then they see the card change colour and don't speak for the rest of the night a colour changing deck effect, this gets people up they see it change colour and they think, lets check this out, maybe ill work it out, and they go crazy when they cant Self Levitation, everyone loves this classis illusion, if you ask someone to name you their favourite trick, then they'd probably say levitation and a vanish, The Raven is a very good one as it happens in their hands |
Corey Harris Inner circle Kansas City, MO 1229 Posts |
When it comes to Cards I mostly focus on about 8 - 10 solid effects that I Know that I'm going to use. I will practice others, But I make sure that I have my main ones down. With other things I only have a few routines down pat.
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EDGE New user 24 Posts |
Yeah I love the quote, "its better to do one trick good rather than a million badly." I find cards are the best tools to get the best reactions, they're nice, simple, and effective. Not to mention adding flourishes are a great ingrediant.
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