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wulfie66 Veteran user 347 Posts |
Alright, I've finally decided to get totally serious about my card magic. So my question to all you knowledgable people out there is this. Should I start by learning sleights or should I start by learning tricks that incorporate the necessary sleights? Any input on this would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Todd
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chrisch New user 59 Posts |
Get card college. You learn the sleights and a few tricks which uses them
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wulfie66 Veteran user 347 Posts |
Okay, maybe I should rephrase my statement. I learn best with 'visual' aids, i.e. dvd, etc. So where do you all think I should start?
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Even if you rephrased your statement, chrisch would again recommend Card College than any videos. That's my guess though.
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
You're on the right track because you'll learn something new from just about every trick you learn. I wouldn't just limit my studies to card magic though. A lot of people feel they should choose one kind of prop to perform with. I disagree with this because if one does so then they'll be over looking a lot of basics. Many new comers to magic are choosing to be "A card magician" because that's what they mostly saw done on those "Street Magic" specials on TV. They can do a lot of fancy cuts, shuffles and back palms but if you put other objects in their hand they are very limited.
So here are a few tricks, routines and props I know of that require you to learn various sleights. Especially those basic sleights because they are the kind of things that'll present more options when performing. Sponge balls These are great for learning some vanishes, palms and using the one ahead principle. Many of the moves you'll learn for sponge balls will be useful with other objects as well such as coins. Coin's across Learning some coins across routines will require you to learn some essential moves. Various palms, vanishes, productions, shuttle pass, loads. These are just a few of the moves you'll learn from these kinds of routines and these moves will allow you to do things with any small objects. Card tricks In card magic I suggest just learning as many of the basic sleights as you can. Don't worry about the fancy moves. You'll find a use for them later. The basic moves will be much more useful. Some basic moves will be a double lift or turn over, Palms, passes, count's, false cuts and shuffles and so forth. These are the kinds of moves you'll find most useful because with these moves you'll actually be able to make up tricks while you perform. You'll be able to alter your routines as needed because in close up magic it's often necessary to do so. You never know what's going to happen. As for tricks that require you to learn these sleights. There are various sources. Card College that Hideo suggested is one source among many to seek out. Some card to (Where ever) tricks. Ambitious card routines will present a lot of sleights. Paul Harris's books and videos teach a lot of moves in the course of each trick. Well, that's just some of the things I suggest. Ron Jaxon |
chrisch New user 59 Posts |
Hideo Kato is right...,I would because it has loads of pictures which illustrates what you should be doing.
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Parson Smith Inner circle 1937 Posts |
I agree with Ron,
There are so many little magical extras that you can add, even if you concentrate primarily on the pasteboards.
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calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
I always ask if it makes sense to learn sleights without knowing how to use them.....
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irishguy Special user Ohio 629 Posts |
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On 2005-04-11 14:13, calexa wrote: Learning routines means you know routines. Learning sleights means you can create routines. You can jazz your way out of anything if you know enough sleights. It is far less likely that you will learn to improvise by strictly learning routines. |
Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
That's true... up to a point. I wonder though if taking the time to learn a good side steal will help my Cups and Balls routine.
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irishguy Special user Ohio 629 Posts |
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On 2005-04-11 17:46, Dave VanVranken wrote: Well, if you pull a card out of nowhere, that certainly would give you the proper misdirection for your final loads |
Fiddling-Steve Loyal user Danbury, Connecticut 212 Posts |
When it comes to card mgaic, I first bought some basic books and dvds on tricks, then a few advanced. After learning some of those I bought a lot of material teaching sleights so I could blend the concepts. I prefer learning sleights and then making a new trick, but that's not how I began. What I would do is get some knowledge of tricks and sleights so you can see how people incorperate them together to make a trick and get some inspiration.
if your going to learn coin magic, sponge balls, cups and balls, linking rings, rubber bands, candle tricks, or things of that nature, you should start with sleights. A routine is easier to create for cups and balls if you know the moves, but if you get something that only teaches one load, or one sleight, or whatever, you won't have the knowledge to create your own effects.
Stick to the classics,
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Most of the sleights I learned were from books full of tricks.
Instructionals that teach tricks show you a bit about routining as well as the required sleights. If only sleights are known ...well... I don't think everyone has the same ability to put together tricks or routines. I find tricks or routines that I really like and start looking at how others do their variations and what sleights are used. Most often than not, I end up using bits and pieces and eventually find what I feel is best for me. I do have "Expert Card Technique" and "Expert at the Card Table", and use them for reference at times, but these are not where most of my inspiration comes from. I'm not a video buff but there are plenty of recommendations here at the Café'. Whatever you decide to do, enjoy your journey. Best, |
jack_is_dead Regular user japan 173 Posts |
How bout learning some sleights from the royal road and then watch Michael Ammars etmcm..it helped me..it will help you
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Books are the way most of us old timers learned, with an occassional demonstration from some more experienced magician. Erdnase is what I started with, and some lectures by Harry Lorayne got me going good. I think most of what he used to do in lectures is avaialable on DVD now. Michael Ammar does good teaching DVD's, I like Daryl's Complete Encyclopedia of Card Sleights as well. (Daryl doesn't cover passes though, just sleights) Dai Vernon swore by Erdnase, but I would have to agree with some of the others that books like the Royal Road are a bit easier to learn from. I think you will enjoy learning more if you learn tricks to go with each sleight. Just learning the sleight for the sleights sake is a bit booring, and if ur not familiar enough with magic principles and existing effects, creating ur own tricks from a given sleight, at first will be difficult. I think you will learn them faster and be much more prone to practice them if you have a trick incorporating ur new sleights. Good Luck.
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
Most magicians do not separate the learning of sleights from the learning of tricks. It sort of evolves. One gets into magic because of an interest. That interest is sparked at first by doing simple tricks that require little if any sleight-of-hand. If the newbie gets proficient at his or her presentation skills the next natural step is to learn more advanced magic. That is usually where one first begins to learn sleights.
Now-a-days things are a bit more compartmentalized and it is possible to learn just sleights without attaching any particular trick or effect to it. I'd suggest you let your knowledge of sleights evolve while increasing your basic knowledge of magic. One point regarding DVD/Tapes vs. Books, videos are a great teacher when it comes to learning how a trick should appear. Good for timing, body language and audience management. These are all things not taught well in printed format. BUT by the same token, books are much more in depth when it comes to the mechanics of a trick while video is often quickly explained in a cursory way and not nearly as good as written form. My advice is to integrate video and books as your method of learning as well as integrating tricks and sleights. You will be richer for the knowledge you will gain and that should translate into better performances. Best of luck to you. Frank Tougas
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Sorry about the joke earlier. I learn best by finding something I want to learn, then working on the sleights necessary to accomplish the effect.
If I do no card tricks, it does me no good to learn card sleights. Same goes for coins, whatever. I tried learning moves, just for knowing moves, but quickly became bored. It's the same way I approach my work with computers. Believe me, trying to learn SQL or PHP without having a reason to do so is better than any sleeping pill.
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Tabasco Loyal user The Netherlands 219 Posts |
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On 2005-04-11 06:53, wulfie66 wrote: I started with daryl's encyclopedia of card sleights and Michael Ammar's easy to master card miracles, Both a dvd serie.
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epsilon97 Regular user 178 Posts |
I really like learning a sleight and then learning a great trick that uses that sleight. I practice the sleight until I get bored then switch to practicing the trick.
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