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Metius Regular user Italy 175 Posts |
Don't know where to post this, but since I'm relatively new to magic I think this might be the right place.
Having re-taken magic I've rebuilded a magic routine with the material I've learned and mastered in this year and half. I'd like to hear your opinions: NFW (Gary Freed) Spectator Cuts Double (Alan Ackerman) Doc Daley's Last Trick Reset (Paul Harris) Untouched (Daryl) Back in Time (Sankey) Unleaded (by Sankey, that leads into...) Animal Cards (?) (the one by Sankey with a half deck rubberbanded that bites specator's card. Can't remember the correct name now) Professor's Nightmare Ring, Rope & Wand (Daryl's version) Jeopardy (Paul Green) In the future, when I'll master them I'll include some mentalism effect. I'm a real beginner with coins so I was afraid to put something with them in my routine now. What do you think? Congratulations and (constructive) critics are well accepted. Metius
Eppure una volta avetti sette in latino...(G.Marziano)
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colibrimagic New user 18 Posts |
There good effects but far to many for one routine I could make 3-4 out of that. Cut down so you don't bore your audience and to also make sure you don't forget a secret move in one of the effects you listed.
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Metius Regular user Italy 175 Posts |
Well for a close-up magic show at a table, I don't think it would be so long or boring, but maybe I could be wrong. Maybe the one I would sacrifice is Untouched.
Eppure una volta avetti sette in latino...(G.Marziano)
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Clarioneer Special user Ferndown, Dorset, UK 624 Posts |
Mmmm.... or listed another way...
Cards Cards Cards Cards Cards Cards Cards Cards Rope Rope Cards No Coins, Rubber Bands, Sponge, Notes, TT, Threads et al... seems a little limited ?? and how are they linked ? - here's another card trick ?
catch you later
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Metius Regular user Italy 175 Posts |
Must premise that this is just ONE routine plan that I came up for a little close-up show.
Unleaded = Rubber Band Trick Animal Cards = Cards + Rubber Band Ring Rope & Wand = No Cards in the way I link every trick with a little story about cards that are living and doing magic by themselves and other things. I'm not 11 years old, so I think the "here's another card trick" might not fit for me. For coins and other things you should have red my post entirely. I'm amazed how someone can be underestimated here! Thus said I'm not disappointed and I liked your thoughts. Uhm..maybe a TT cigarette vanish could be a good eye-catchy opener? A CMH would be good after Unleaded trick?
Eppure una volta avetti sette in latino...(G.Marziano)
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Clarioneer Special user Ferndown, Dorset, UK 624 Posts |
There you go now you're thinking - merely looked at your list another way - no criticism - if the audience like cards it'll go down great... there are simple coin tricks that always go down well - ungimmicked S&S, Wilson Questionable Trick and Gadabout spring to mind, simple/effective sponge magic like Ain't No Mo (Carl Andrews - no jacket required DVD) TT effects usually also go down well (same DVD - Sweet and Slo)
catch you later
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colibrimagic New user 18 Posts |
When I do some table hopping I only do 3-4 effects at a time.... and my order is generally
Cards Cards sponges coins I'm no good with coins yet so I just found a nice gimmick called dynamic coins. If you want to do a long closeup show I'd reccommend stll making 3-4 routines and linking them together that way you also have some routines if somebody says "show me some tricks" |
gene plampin Regular user 168 Posts |
Speaking as a spectator rather than a magician, if I was to go someplace where close up magicians were performing and I got to choose one with lots of card effects and one that had some cards along with other things, I would choose the latter. I understand the restrictions you mention above, but coins using gimmicks exist, so do other things such as mentioned above. Just my own opinion as a spectator rather than as a performer.
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
I am afraid I have to agree about the card thing. Spectators are not nearly so enamored with card tricks as magicians are, and for people who specialize in card work you can multiply that about ten fold. For proof, just look at the card forum and the number of posts and views. Then again I am the one who wrote in and chided Joshua Jay for remarks he made concerning people who don't do card tricks.
Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
In my opinion from that list I think the rope tricks are better openers for a number of reasons. This has been discussed elsewhere here on the Café. Frank just touched on the subject above but let me go a little deaper for a moment and try and explain a little more about it. Some people have previous assumptions to card tricks. That is that they think they are all the same and they relate them to the boring tricks they or their friends know. So as soon as they see the cards they are already assuming they've seen what you are about to do before. That's not a good way to start out.
A rope trick is more visual and eye catching. Not many people have seen rope tricks before and it's an unusual thing for them to see someone pull out. So it draws attention. Now for a way to do rope tricks first then make it logical to follow that with some card magic. You can use the old gag where you pull out a card box and say, "Do you like card tricks?" No matter what they say you open the card box and pull a length of rope out of it. This is a great gag because for those who have that dislike of card tricks will feel a bit of relief when they see you aren't doing a card trick. Those who like card tricks will get a little unexpected moment as well. So they've seen a card box. Then you do your rope magic. After that you pull the card box out and this time pull a deck of cards out of it. Then do your stuff with them. The rope magic will establish you as not just someone who knows a couple of cards tricks. Because everyone know someone who does a few card tricks. Now that they see you do something unusual they'll be more interested in what you can do with that deck of cards. That's just a few things to think about. Ron Jaxon |
Clarioneer Special user Ferndown, Dorset, UK 624 Posts |
Ron - love that idea - thanks for sharing - hadn't come across it
catch you later
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R.T. Regular user 107 Posts |
That's a really good idea...if I've learned anything on the Magic Café...it once again pops up here again. Don't have anymore then 7 tricks in a show, and NEVER start with cards.
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Metius Regular user Italy 175 Posts |
Ron, this is a simply GREAT idea. I've always been a fan of your way of thinking, but now you got me forever. Altought maybe I should have made an important premise : this is a show for a magician circle here to be introduced to them, so I gotta manage with experienced people. What do you think about it and what do you feel I should do?
I think that your idea is still appliable, right?
Eppure una volta avetti sette in latino...(G.Marziano)
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steves7 Regular user Blue Springs, Missouri 114 Posts |
Good discussion. There are many who know or do cards. Most people think you are going to do one of the two or three card tricks they have already seen or know how to do themselves. However, when you start with a rope trick it will draw them in. Do a couple of good rope tricks and then pull out a good card trick... not your best one, but one of your better ones to make them know you are not your ordinary guy who knows a card trick.
I do not recognize the names on your list. I have never really done too much card magic, but I am finding out that most people expect you to know how to do card tricks simply because you are a "magician". |
Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
If I understand right you'll be performing for a group of magicians who have never seen you before. Let me know if that isn't the case but if so I suggest you only do a couple of tricks for them. The reason for this is that these magicians are likely to know the tricks are you going to do. even if they don't they won't really be looking for you to do things to fool them. They'd like to see how good you perform.
So I'd just choose 2 or 3 of the tricks from that list and get them down the best you can. When you are performing you'll want you're performance to say, "I love to perform. I try my best to be entertaining and I hope you enjoy it." Not saying this with words but with your actions. At least in the magic clubs I go to we welcome anyone to join us who has a real interest. Even if they only know a couple of basic tricks. It takes a lot of guts to get up in front of a group of magicians so they'll know that. The thing about the rope magic and card magic will still apply and it'll have the same effect on magicians as it does on non-magicians. They'll notice that you put some thought into the construction and entertainment value of the act too. I would be impressed with someone who thought about that for sure. It shows they aren't just running through a trick. They're doing the best they can to be an entertainer. Ron Jaxon |
calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
First of all, I like the collection of effects. But there is something I would like to mention (but maybe it is only me who has problem with that): most of the effects are card tricks, and that's what you can see everywhere. Maybe you should involve some other stuff, especially when you want to do a "close-up show". That's not only cards....
Magixx
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