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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
I love the look of this, as Sankey pulls it off on Sankeytized (1 or 2?) The effect is that you spread a deck between your two hands and spread your hands as well and the cards just seem to almost float further apart than appears reasonable.
And what is a good teaching source for it? I am trying to do it, as Sankey showed but am having trouble getting it down. The deck doesn't want to stay aligned. I practice a lot, and have tried all kinds of hand positions, and am still looking for a better teaching source. BroDavid
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Tom Witcomb New user Sarasota, Florida 93 Posts |
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Daniel Meadows Veteran user Manchester, UK 392 Posts |
FloridaTom: I think your link only talks about the Spread Control, as opposed to the spread.
The LePaul Spread is taught on McBride's 3 vol set (vol 1).
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zeroG Regular user 183 Posts |
I thought Sankey was saying Hop Spread!
It does look great. I figure that someday I'll finally get it by accident, like a pressure fan. So I work on it but try not to get too frustrated! Although any suggestions on the move would be greatly appreciated! |
Tom Witcomb New user Sarasota, Florida 93 Posts |
Oh. If it's the LePaul spread, then Dante has a Fanning Tutorial with it on...very good value...The site was down when I just looked, but it's here:
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
You know what, zeroG, I need to go back and watch it one time, because I am not sure if it was just "Hop Spread" or Hofzinser Spread.
Will check on it later and correct this post once I know for sure. I have been chowing down on way too much card knowledge lately and I may be mixing it up. But it definitely is NOT the LePaul Spread, although it is close. But in what Sankey shows, the cards don't fan as in the LePaul Spread, they just spread straight between the hands. I thought about posting the question over in the Paste Board Frolics forum, even though they probably don't consider this much of a flourish. BroDavid
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts |
On the box and in the ads for his "Sanketized" tapes, it is referred to as the "Hop Spread."
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
I think it's the LePaul spread.
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Spydur Special user PDX, now San Diego...back to PDX 966 Posts |
This move IS the LePaul Spread. It can be found in his book The Card Magic of Paul LePaul.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
For history buffs out there, the LePaul Spread was original published as "A Flourish and a Pass"...the spread was the flourish, from which a card was selected and then controlled with a spread-pass.
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
As Flip properly noted, Sankey calls it the Hop Spread.
I have seen a couple handlings on the LePaul spread and they seem to end up with the cards in a very wide spread that looks like a very wide fan. The link that Florida Tom placed in his post shows it as I have seen it before. And although it is nice, I liked Sankey's Spread better as it visually looks wider since the card edges are straight in line. I can do the spread as I have seen it described as the LePaul, but I don't like ending up in with a "fan look" in my right hand. I have tried a lot of different hand placements, etc., to get the spread straight, but so far, it just isn't happening. Maybe I have just seen bad samples of the LePaul Spread (I don't own book or video with it, just seen it on the web), but I want a straight clean spread as Sankey does it. BroDavid
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TylerErickson New user St. Paul, Minnesota 50 Posts |
The Hop spread has been called the "LePaul" spread because it appeared in his book, The Card Magic of Le Paul.
However, in the book, LePaul states, "This flourish, although fairly well know among expert card men, is rarely seen and to my knowledge it has never before appeared in print." The direct implication seems to be LePaul did NOT invent the move, he merely published it. Hope this helps, Tyler |
Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Forgot to mention...I saw Sankey lecture and asked him about the LePaul/Hop spread. His big tip was to receive the spreading deck deep in the fork of the right thumb, and extend the right little finger underneath the spread, giving it a long "shelf" to rest on, so the spread can go further.
I believe he says something to this effect on the video, but I figure it can't hurt to hear it twice. Paul
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
The concept of an exceptionally long spread is not new, in fact P&L manufactured a reel specifically for this called a double thread reel.
There are also sleight of hand methods for increasing the length of the spread. Try turning the bottom card sideways and using it as an extension of the right fingers, for instance. The LePaul reference is correct, and the first instance of the technique in print to my knowledge. To straighten out the spread, try altering the right hand grip on the deck, or turn the right hand in toward the body as the cards spring. Think simple physics! Best, PSC
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
And I just read about a full floating (no hands) full deck spread in an advert from the Magic Rabbit Ranch.
About $20.00, and the ad said the deck could be handed out for examination. For a moment I was tempted. But that would take all of the fun (or at least the challenge) out of it. BroDavid
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Mike Walton Special user Chicago 984 Posts |
(Let's bring this thread back alive instead of creating another one.)
How wide should the hop/Lepaul spread be when open? I'm trying to figure out how much of the spread is supported by the right hand, and how much is made up of the bridge between the hands. The next question is how do you keep the bridge up between the hands? Any insight would help. Thx in advance. |
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