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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I've been playing around with a reverse print card. Meaning the color of the pip is reversed. Diamonds and hearts are black, clubs and spades are red.
Has anyone tried utilizing this with Red Hot Mamma? NOt only does the back change colors again, but the (ex.) red 10 of diamonds is now the Black 10 of diamonds. I haven't tried it yet, just wondering if the reaction is stronger or just stranger. |
KidCrenshaw Special user USA 537 Posts |
Why does it change color?
"Put your faith in Providence, but always cut the cards"
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
Because it can. Not really sure. would have to find some motivation. maybe a magical red card off to the side that changes everything to red. front and back.
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Ednigma New user 34 Posts |
My opinion of "improving" effects is as follows:
Throughout the years, many good tricks have been improved to become GREAT tricks. However, I feel that GREAT tricks are best as they are. Oftentimes, things are added to super effects that only confuse and dilute the simplicity of the trick, leaving the spectator saying" do that again!!!" not because it was GOOD, but rather because they couldn't follow what the heck you just did!! Effects that show that you can do 5 passes, 4 elmsley counts, 3 midnight shifts, 2 double lifts(...and a partridge in a pear tree) may impress YOU and other MAGICIANS at the local S.A.M meeting, but it often won't impress your specs. "If it ain't broke....dont fix it!!" |
taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
Well all it's doing is instead of a normal dupe, you replace it with a reverse printed dupe. Same moves, same trick. Just a little double color change. Front and back.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2005-06-18 13:45, taller8 wrote: This can be the start of a fatal error. Even if it can be done, you should not do it if the resulted effect confuse your audience. In this extreme case of RHM, your audience will surprise because the card they selected and looked its face is changed to red backed. If the face is changed at the same time, they won't think the card is the selected one. Hideo Kato |
taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
Well all it's doing is instead of a normal dupe, you replace it with a reverse printed dupe. Same moves, same trick. Just a little double color change. Front and back.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
If you want to show a double change (face and back)effectively, you'd better forget RHM from the start.
After the selection is buried in the deck, you put right hand on the deck explaining the heat of the hand influenes on the back of the selected card. You spread the deck and one red backed card is in the midddle. You show it is the selected card. Next, spectator put his hand on the face of the card. Then the face of the selection is changed in color. Hideo Kato |
therntier Special user 681 Posts |
This double colour change obviously couldn't happen with the first selection. I think your audience may wonder why it didn't. I think it would make a rather clear effect a little muddy.
Just my opinion. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I believe therntier's post was posted for the initial poster's post, not for my post. (Two posts are posted at same time, 7:50pm). In my trick, only one card is selected.
Hideo Kato |
Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
Red Hot Mama, or Chicago Opener, is best left alone, because it kills just the way it is. I agree with Ednigma.
Kaylan |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I believe most of you agree that using reverse print card as taller8 posted initially is not an improvement on RHM, but I think his idea of using reverse print card for an effect is good in its own right.
It's very easy to deny or neglect other's idea, but we sometimes don't notice the gem in it. Hideo Kato |
Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
Has anyone seen Dan Fleshman's Routine, Momma in my Wallet... Personally I think it's a great routine and has an awesome ending. Just wanted to know if anyone has seen it and/or performed it.
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
Well I think you guys are right. A double front and back change might be a bit much. I know there is a version of rhm called LIPS that puts a lipstick print in the colorbacked changed card. But that seems a bit more innocent and fun.
And the double change does must register to the spec as a totally different card, where as a back only change seems magical. How weird. Thanks for the input. consult the experienced. |
anthonyb Regular user 155 Posts |
The well-known Al Baker quote is most appropriare here.
Furthermore the reverse-printed card shows you are using abnormal (trick) cards so if you are showing this here, then the audience can logically think that all your card magic is with a trick deck.
Anthony Brahams
www.thecairnpress.com |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Although Al Baker mentioned many tricks have been made worse by seeming improvements, it is the fact such efforts and energy seeking variations occasionally produced wonderful tricks.
taller8's initial idea of using reverse color card for face change effect is not a bad idea. I hope taller8 won't give up the idea until he get a better application. Anyway, waller8 never stated his idea is an improvement on RHM. If we should always publish better tricks than exsisting tricks, we can hardly publish our creations. Thank you taller8 for reminding me the use of reverse color print cards. Hideo Kato |
ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
If all you're trying to do is a color change, then do a color change. It would be a pretty good trick to a laymen. Have the spectator "select" the card and bring it to the bottom. Turn the deck face up showing the spectators card. Do a Erdnase Change to change the colors on the face. Do a DL and do another Erdnase Change to magically change the back of the card. Do a wrist kill as you hand them the card.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Thank you ixnay66 for the nice use of Erdnase/Houdini change. I borrowed the idea and added the idea of using two different backed deck, and I constructed the following effect.
Spectator selects a card from the red backed deck. The selection is buried in the deck. Let's assume the selection is 5D. You say "I will find the selected card in this blue backed deck". You show the bottom card of the blue backed deck. It is not the selection. You ask the name of the selection. Spectator answers it is 5D. You change the face card to 5D. You turn the card face down, it is blue backed. You say "Although this is five of Diamonds, this is not the card you selected as this is blue backed. Watch!". You change the back to red. You hand the card to the spectator saying "This is your selection". I would use KM Move to right reversed card on the bottom when I hand the selection to the spectator. I record this trick as Joint Work No.24 by taller8, ixnay66 and me. I thank taller8 for posting the initial idea and ixnay66 for posting your idea. I already constructed to do this effect with signed selection, in which sign appears on the face as the third effect. Hideo Kato P.S. I don't use Palming to transfer the selection to blue backed deck. I use a kind of Packet Transfer instead. So, I need a blue backed card in the red backed deck in the beginning. |
taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
It seems like ixnay66's routine would require a force also. I liked his ideas, but it's turning into a sleight heavy routine now.
A force, a houdini change, a double lift, another change, and KM or a wrist rotate. But I'll give it a whirl. It sounds interesting. Thanks for the input |
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