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James Kernen Regular user Arizona 160 Posts |
In "Malini and His Magic", by Dai Vernon (1999 by L&L), cups and balls are not covered. I saw a description for a tumbler pass through and vanish and for a baseball vanish, but nothing directly about cups and balls.
Posted: Nov 7, 2006 6:30pm In "Malini and His Magic" by Dai Vernon (Harry Stanley version)- same answer as the L&L edition above. |
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fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
Thanks, James, Much appreciated.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
A brief message somewhere above mentioned the Eddie Joseph books. THESE ARE A MUST and go into idea and thinking like no other. So many of the books, routines, etc., are just re-hashes... but the Joseph set of books really opens your eyes to other ideas with those little flower pots we cherish and use.
Just made me think. Flower pots have holes in the base... why not think of drilling out your cups and explaining that the balls come and go through the holes?
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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CJRichard Special user Massachusetts 542 Posts |
Go ahead guys, take the power drill to those engraved Sherwoods. . .
Maybe the manufacturers could add it as an option, at say, $25 per hole. (That's a suggested standard price, for say Jake's or Jim Riser's. Porper holes would be $50 with a hand made wooden plug. Penguin holes, drilled in China, $10 a set.)
"You know some of you are laughin', but there's people here tryin' to learn. . ." -Pop Haydn
"I know of no other art that proclaims itself 'easy to do.'" -Master Payne Ezekiel the Green |
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Joker63 New user 48 Posts |
Wow,
so many routines, as in all things magic I guess. I just got hold of a copy of "My favorite routine with the Cups and Balls" - Eddie Joseph (though I suspect the more experienced members of the Café would have known it was Eddie Joseph). I am new to cups and balls, so was looking for some reference material and this came up. Haven't had a good look yet, the copy is a bit fragile so I will probably photocopy it for a working/reading copy and keep the original from falling apart (I don't think that should upset copyright or anything as I don't intend to sell either copy separately). I am quite new to magic, mostly worked with cards so far, and still don't have a copy of Mark Wilson's book. Judging by its mention in just about every thread, its probably time I did. cheers |
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fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
If you're new to cups and balls, I would strongly suggest that you school yourself in the fundamentals first. In my view, short of one-on-one lessons from a pro, there is no better teaching tool than Michael Ammar's two volume "The Complete Cups and Balls" DVD set (especially vol.1)and/or his profusely illustrated book of the time title. Ammar's teaching style is both effective and enjoyable.
I think you will find Ammar's DVDs and/or book much easier sailing than Eddie Joseph's book. Fortasse Posted: Jun 14, 2007 9:13am Sorry, "time title" should have read "same title". Fortasse |
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lint Special user Concord, CA 967 Posts |
I second that suggestion. I would also suggest Bob Whites new dvd called simply "Cups & Balls". I find it to be a great companion to the Ammar set once you have studied them.
When I started out I bought up every cheap book on cups I could find. The Tom Osbourn book, the Royal Magic book, Merlyn T Schutes book, etc. Many books can be found on ebay for around $5. They are all worth studying. -todd
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." -English Proverb
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
The Eddie Joseph books are okay. For a long time, they were basically what was available. However, in some ways, the material can be frustrating. From my friends who knew Eddie, I understand that he was not a very good cups and balls worker. Maybe he just knew too much.
My own recommendations for DVDs are (in this order) 1 Michael Ammar's set 2a The Greater Magic set with Johnny Thompson et. al. 2b The Bob White DVD 3 Rafael Benatar's DVD 4a (for street workers) Gazzo's DVD 4b Cellini's DVD Those are the five basic DVD's. Then add some of the other individual routines. Tommy Wonder Manuel Muerte Andy Comic Way down at the bottom of the list would be Tim Ellis' Runaround Sue. (cute routine, but I really didn't like certain aspects -- you may find it interesting, though) chacun à son goût Below that would be the Eddy Ray DVD. For books: Michael Ammar's book The Dai Vernon book of Magic My transcription of the Hocus Pocus Junior routine Fortasse's translation of Ozanam and Guyot The Fun Inc booklet Gazzo's Street Cups. Then all the Eddie Joseph material. Then all of the Aldo Colombini material. All of the above, I consider of great importance. Then there are scads of excellent routines that everyone should look at once they have these, but the above books are basics.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
Even though it's not strictly a Cups & Balls book, I would also recommend and include on any C/B worker's list a little $7 pamphlet by Al Leech called "Don't Look Now," which is an essay on misdirection. It's available from Midwest Magic, click HERE for more information.
In my experience, most of the basic Cup & Ball sleights are fairly easy to master. But if your presentation and misdirection aren't good, you can forget mystifying anybody, or getting away with those all-important final loads. So I think good misdirection is just as important, if not more so, than good technique, and that's why I would include this pamphlet. SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I have found on final loads that motivation is most important. You need a reason to transfer the cup from the pickup hand to where it needs to go.
Motivation is an essential part of misdirection.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
Off topic but then again since it was mentioned above:
per the Al Leech "Don't look now"...."a little $7 pamphlet" with a $6.50 shipping charge. That just irks me to no end. If they want $11-$12 for the pamphlet I wish they would just say so. Just bought a hard bound 11 1/4" x 8 3/4" inch thick book from a reputable fellow here at the Café who wears Sherwood cups on his head for some strange reason, got it in 3 days USPS, well packaged, with delivery confirmation for $3.23 which by the way was included in the selling price. That's the way it's done. It's hard to go back to Spam when you've had a well prepared steak. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Midwest magic will undoubtedly chime in on this, since they have been alluded to. I tangled with these guys once over some of their prices. However, I have to say that since they don't produce the book, they have to pay enough for it that to absorb the cost of the postage would seriously crimp their profits. I have enough margin in my books that I can afford to absorb the cost of the postage.
This said, I would order the Al Leech book from Magic, Inc. if they have it. They were the ones who originally produced it. Actual shipping costs for that booklet should be about $3.00. That's $1.00 for the bubble packed envelope and $2.00 for first class postage. I don't think you can send a book that small via media mail or book rate. I realize they have to pay an employee to print out the label and stick it onto the envelope, but that shouldn't take more than 5 minutes, unless they have very slow workers.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
One other C&B performance/instructional DVD that I would recommend very highly is "The Al Schneider Technique" ( vol. 3). The performances of the various close-up tricks are followed by very full and very clear step-by-step explanations. What I particularly like about Schneider's teaching method is something that Bill Palmer just alluded to : he puts a great deal of emphasis on WHY various moves are made, not just how to execute them.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
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On 2007-06-14 16:44, Bill Palmer wrote: Agree completely with you there, Bill. Dan Fleshman does some nice work in his c&b routine - great motivation/misdirection that allows an extra two loads to be made for an impressive 5-load finale. Reed McClintock's dual-load is also very very nicely done.
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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