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Schismatized New user 58 Posts |
Well I got the dl in an hour or so... if that counts.
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
I don't know what to say Jonton. You are obviously an avid student of magic. If you want to attribute your interest, dilligence, hard work to a natural ability, go for it.
I will say this. Next time you go to an IBM or SAM national convention, instead of "jamming" with the big boys (and ladies) enter a contest. I have been a past judge and I can tell you if you are good you will be told so - truthfully and without sugar coating. If you are not, well you will be told that too. I hope some day I can say "I knew ye when." Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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Magic_Ambo1974 New user 4 Posts |
G'day one and all
Now don't take this the wrong way but "natural ability" in itself is worthless. How can I say that? Well let me explain it in a Non-magic example Tiger Woods and Magic_Ambo1974 are to play a round of golf. I can assure you that Magic_Ambo1974 has not hit a golf ball in his life (a few cane toads but they don't count). Tiger's gunna make this Ambo look foolish. Now let's change the scenario somewhat. This time Tiger has never hit a golf ball (we'll let him belt a few cane toads to make it fair though). Ambo1974 has practiced since he was a wee tike day in day out. Now let's play. Magic_Ambo1974 is going to be the odd's on favourite. In itself talent is nothing. Another sporting example. I was speaking to the mother of a famous football player. She was telling me that her famous son was not the best player in the family. His older brother wiped the field with him in talent stakes. what the youngest son had was heart and dedication to his game. He was touted as not the best player but by far the best Team player who gave it all he had and this guy was on 6 figures. That's my two cents. Now back to practicing ;-)
That year's Christmas was one they would never forget. The $4,000 in new credit card debt would be a monthly reminder.
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
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On 2005-09-14 01:24, jack_is_dead wrote: Out of my mind?... Humm... Maybe I am. I looked at the thread again today and I have to say that it may help to define "what is mastering a sleight". If for you, mastering means you do it correctly, then I have to say mastering a DL took me about 15 minutes. Doing it very well, in a natural maner, that is something else. As for doing better than anybody else, then I remain convinced it will take the proverbial "years of practice". Like Jaxon said, if you are lucky enough to have videos of your performance some years back, it is always interesting to see the changes in your demeanor and ability. Personnaly, I am one of those persons who is never quite satisfied with the way I perform. So I will look for ways to improve myself. I will even try to improve what I know I am doing quite well. To me, this "perfection" is called "mastering a move". Have a nice day! Louis Jutras |
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
I think Jaxon has got it on this one. Getting the basics of a move down might take anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. Mastering the move, making it look as natural as possible, well, that's going to take the rest of our lives.
Geoff
"You must practice your material until it becomes boring, then practice it until it becomes beautiful." -- Bill Palmer
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r1z08 Inner circle 1158 Posts |
Ever since I started in magic, quite some time ago, I have always had an extremely natural looking classic palm. I worked at a magic shop when I was 13 and magicians were in disbelief that my hand was not empty. Even classic palming small coins like a dime has never been a problem for me. I guess that I am just naturally built to make the classic palm look very convincing and not at all contorted.
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Sean Comer New user 48 Posts |
Natuaral Ability does exist, we all have ability in some form. As far as 'mastering' anything goes, I never will. I have found that as I progress in magic, painting, whatever it is, I become more discerning and critical of my performance. I will always strive to improve my magic. Saxmangeoff kind of nailed it on the head for me.
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bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts |
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On 2005-09-15 22:19, Jonton wrote: It sounds like someone is campaigning hard for a temple or shrine to be constructed in their name... donations can be sent to 'The Jonton Natural Ability Fund'. Just kidding A shrine is a terrible thing to waste.
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact
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Aus Special user Australia 996 Posts |
Its an interesting thing natural ability. See magicians that have less slight of hand ability go for more simple slight and self-working tricks and the more slight of hand artist find wowing there spectators with amazing visual things. Both are vaild approchs in there own right and both should not be scoffed at.
The more self-working performer may put that extra focus on his presontation and entertainment on his spectators well the slight of hand magician shows a complete showing of is focus of nailing that hard objective. Both of which are not lost on the audance Magically Aus |
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Joe Mauro Inner circle 1133 Posts |
I doun't have it, so I have to do very simple routines. The are foolers, but nothing like the professionals use.
~Joe
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jack_is_dead Regular user japan 173 Posts |
Whatever said and done I don't really think natural ability to do a sleight exist..natural ability to do humor may exist..showmanship exist..bussiness mind exist..creativeness exist..but natural ability to do a sleight???? no its practice or unpractice.. for me, mastering a move can take years.. otherwise there will be more magicians than there is now.. mastering a move of course includes ability to make it natural even for your own eyes.. ability to make the move even when you are not concentrating..while ur talking, making jokes..thinking about it you will realise there are more than getting the move done correctly. you need experience..insight understanding..all this from natural ability?? no its just years of practice..just what I think what it is from my own view..
one eyed man is the king in the blind land
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JonathanM Veteran user Jonathan 352 Posts |
Here's the 3 steps I seem to experience particularly with difficult moves (example: the “one handed bottom deal color change”) What a painstaking new move that was – but I now enjoy the reward of being able to do it even more!
1) PERFECT PRACTICE I read a Michael Ammar article years ago - He wrote: "Practice doesn't make perfect - Perfect practice makes perfect". Note: Always use the 3 MIRROR FOLDOUT, you can see all angles and protect yourself from practicing WRONG! 2) GROUP A LIVE TESTING Almost immediately, I always end up showing it to the same people who are close to me. None are magicians. But it's great because they don't care AND they forget. I've even exposed the sleight (in error of course), then came back months later and blown them away with the same (perfected) move. This is where I shed 90% of my awkwardness and insecurity with a new move. 3) GROUP B LIVE TESTING Now after showing to about oh, 5 - 10 more people here and there, I'm no longer self conscious about it. I could even use it in a show if it's been at least 3 weeks by now. But it really takes me about 3 - 6 months though, before I truly "KNOW" the move. KNOW defined: the move is automatic and I don't have to "think" while doing it. It's like breathing now! |
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Jonton Veteran user New York City 336 Posts |
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On 2005-09-25 17:11, bigchuck wrote: Ouch...that was baaaaad... Does Houdini even have a shrine? He should... Despite the fact that he is my best friend, there will always be competition as to who will achieve more. He plans on going into a career in psychology, I plan on going into a career in magic. If we both eventually end up doing the same type of job, there will always be pushing and shoving. He has a natural ability for some things that I don't and vice versa. I see his presentation ability is much smoother than mine, but that's due to his 6 years of experience. Oh, and I will be opening a seperate account in which I will be accepting donations to that fund that bigchuck has very graciously contributed to. ~Jonton
I Came, I Saw, I Conjured
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