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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
Magic W/Hart: Allan, are you sure you are not telling a bit of a fishing story? You are saying that you perform for 5 hours which I can accept(although maybe you are not charging enough!). Then you go on to say that you work back to back 5 hour shows. C'mon man, 10 hours of performing in one day! I'm sorry, but that is just crazy. Time to double your rates bro. Maybe triple. By the way who are working for?
I am not telling any fish story. As a matter of fact, I did two 5 hour shows just a week ago. The best part was that for the first time in my entire life both shows were in the same catering hall. I finished one sat down & had a meal and within an hour started the second one. I do this on a regular basis. As far as price, I am on the high side. I would not work that long unless I was well compensated. Let me tell you the secret. It's not about working out or being a Superman, it's about relaxing & not having to think about what you do. I have been doing this forever. Performing is about being so sure of yourself that you can have fun with it. When I stated that after 5 hours, I was just warmed up, I meant it. I also said that I did not have this stamina when I was younger. It comes through confidence, enjoyment & relaxation. When you know that nothing will ever go wrong and be beyond your capabilities of making it work no matter what, you can relax. Relaxation is the key. The pressure is off & I can have fun. When I finish the two 5 hour shows, I am tired but if the need came I feel like I could go out & perform another hour or two if the need arises. Thank goodness it never has. I am not surprised that you doubt the validity of what I wrote, but I promise it is the truth. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I think a lot depends on environment and the working conditions like most jobs. If you are comfortable doing the work and the people you work for as an establishment, then you can almost go nonstop forever.
If however you hate the idea and are doing it only for the money and the people you work for are slave drivers, then it tends to wear you out, like any other job. Personally I won't take any job under the second set of circumstances so I find it invigorating and fun.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
Danny, well said, I would never work for people that did not treat me with respect. Sometimes you do not know who you are working for & get a big surprise. When that happens you act like a pro & finish the job.
On rare occasions I have worked for some not so nice people. I make a mental note to not accept a job from them again. Somehow, they never call again so I have not had to turn down much work. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
It depends on the shoes I'm wearing - seriously.
Comfortable shoes: invigorating. Uncomfortable shoes: draining. I've done a couple of five-hour table-hopping gigs (wedding reception and Christmas party) and felt great afterward. Comfortable shoes are the most important piece of equipment you can bring. |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2005-10-06 13:41, S2000magician wrote: It's no wonder I prefer to wear western boots to gigs. They're really comfy! |
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stine Regular user TN 152 Posts |
I eventually got way burned out on table hopping but in retrospect it was partly my fault. I got used to my regular gigs and relied on the same material w/o constantly creating. After the 15 millionth version of my sponge ball routine I bailed out and went into comedy magic on stage. So it was good for me because it got me into new realms of entertainment , and now as a hobbyist only I find myself having much more fun exploring new routines and concepts.Maybe when your performing 5 nights a week it's hard to motivate yourself to practice new stuff "off the clock"....or...maybe it was just me.
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
Hello Stine:Nice to hear from you again.
I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my hasty post regarding your restaurant flame throwing match.I did not realize this occured in the 1980's,.My post mainly was meant to discourage any young performers today from taking this path. Anyhow,you sound like a real straight shooter,and an asset to the Café'Forum. Alan:I really hope you are wearing the highest quality Western boots. OUCH! |
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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
Hi Rich, No, I don't wear western boots, that was Alan Munro. If I put on western boots, I would probably end up crippled.
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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
After re-reading, you did mean Alan Munro. Sorry.
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Daryl -the other brother Special user Chicago 594 Posts |
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On 2005-10-06 19:01, PaleoMagi wrote: That goes for me too, the 80's were a whole different space in time. |
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TheTableTopTrixta Special user 708 Posts |
I am drained after the 2nd hour my head feels like it will explode but still love the performance, keep going on like a junkie.......then when finished I love staying around the bar area of the restaurant chilling out and performing at a nice pace no pressure, gets the best reactions as well I think, and a great time to get more bookings!!!!
laters Ash |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2005-10-05 20:54, Godhandz wrote: Eric, I think that's on topic. In my case, most of the effects I perform professionally I've been doing for decades. That may, in part, be the reason that I sometimes feel bored/drained when performing them, but it's also the very same reason that they've developed into such strong workers for me and for that reason I'd never drop them from my repertoire. Larry |
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Brad Lancaster Regular user 184 Posts |
In reference to Godzhandz's statement. Performing for me is an actual job. But there's no need to re-evaluate my situation. It's just not a hobby anymore.
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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
Wow, I'm sorry that some of you feel that it's not a hobby anymore. I have been fulltime for a really long time. Even when I was a part timer, it was almost full time. I still consider it to be my hobby. I just love performing.
I only hope that those of you that have lost the love & excitement can regain it at some point. Allan |
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Brad Lancaster Regular user 184 Posts |
Allan don't feel sorry for me. I have been involved with magic since a child. I feel blessed to be making a great living doing something that I enjoy. Being an magical entertainer is an often fun and fulfilling career and It brings a lot of joy to people. Allan this following statement is not only directed to you but,to all those who eat dream and sleep magic 24/7, "Every thing has it's place in life" just because I don't consider magic as my hobby doesn't mean I have lost the "love and excitement". If I didn't love what I do I wouldn't be so sucessful at it. Being an Entertainer is primarily my means of making a living just like any other profession. Magic pays my bills.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2005-10-18 06:37, Brad Lancaster wrote: So true. Once you are getting paid, you work for someone. Even guys like Ammar get tired of lecturing, but that's what he does. That pays the bills. Even Larry Jennings said his favorite time is practicing. Brad, cool pic. If I looked that good in a Tux, I'd wear one too!!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Allan Elite user 405 Posts |
Hi Brad, I am happy to hear that you still love performing. I couldn't agree with you more. As a business, I take magic deadly serious. But I still love doing it & it is still like a hobby. You are correct, you could not be sucessful without still loving it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Performing needs to be treated as a business if you are a pro plain and simple. If you don't you lose money and that is bad. Like all jobs you can still love what you do. To look at it as a hobby is a bad thing because we spend money differently on hobbys as opposed to our business.
The two can be together without doubt, you can love your business. But treat it as one. I am a much broader person than just my work. I get away from it from time to time. I have other hobbys. I need this time away for sanity sake. I have few magic toys, no closet or drawer of magic junk that traditionally most of us have. I still love what I do for a living, but do get away from it from time to time.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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