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DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
I have a question how do you classify somting as a trick .. or as an illusion.. please give examples
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gulamerian Special user 581 Posts |
You could say all tricks are illusions. Illusions usually refer to tricks involving humans.
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
For me, a trick is the actual prop itself or the nature of the routine (vanish, metamorphisis...). An illusion is the routine, the patter, the presentation, that makes a trick entertaining.
Now in some terms also, an illusion is a big trick performed onstage. Usually with big boxes. But to go deeper, an illusion is any trick/routine that can be viewed and enjoyed by a large audience, like in a theatre. An example of the difference is in the cups and balls. The actual props and the nature of the balls appearing and disappearing is the trick. The illusion comes from the performance of such. If performed with a great routing including personality and entertainment, than an illusion is created. An audience will suspend their disbelief and allow themselves to be entertained. As can be seen when you go to a movie. Most people know that the balls aren't really appearing because of "magic" but becuase of your skill. The routine you use should stop them from thinking of it as a challenge of how you are doing it and to simply enjoying the trip you are taking them on. |
DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
Oh ok I get it us then would the guillitene or bunny box be called and illusion as well ?? they involve humans
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
For advertising perposes, yes.
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DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
So is a palanquin style production and a subtrunk illusions?
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
Of Course.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Very complex and just a matter of oppinion I think.
Aren't all tricks, illusions? If I do a small close-up trick where I appear to cut of my thumb - It's just an illusion! Words and meaning :)
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
Interesting topic...pretty much everything we do is an illusion, if you go by how the word "illusion" is defined.
Then again, when someone mentions "illusion" magicians see a largish prop. That is a spesific thing in the magic community, the word itself means a certian thing to us but not neccessarily to other people. Good question! Maybe someone could write a thesis on that!
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NFox Inner circle I Do Mentalism Now?! 1101 Posts |
I was actually working on this very subject as a possible essay in my book. My ideas are nowhere near fully congealed so I will hold off posting my thoughts for later.
This has always been a topic that has made me dizzy the more I think about it...someday we will have a resolution to this debate. I hope. Nick Fox |
DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
Thanks for the great responses every one~!
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Within the trade, Magicians refer to effects that incorporate larger apparatus as illusions, especially if they utilize people (assistants, audience members or the performer themselves) or animals as the subject of the illusion. (I..: Sawing in Half, Substitution Trunk, etc.)
When speaking with those not in the trade, it is assumed that ALL effects are illusions, in that we are creating the ILLUSION of having magical powers. - entity
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Jared Sherlock Loyal user Indiana 245 Posts |
"Tricks are for dogs, effects are for magicians" - I cant Remember
Just heard it along time ago and have avioded the word trick, seems silly and I don't find much wrong with the word trick. However its kinda thought provoking. Anyway that was off topic, maybe "Tricks are for kids you silly rabbit"..... Its been a long day, Jared |
Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
Trick goes along with the word "Magic Trick"
No one has defined these in terms everyone has accepted. An "Effect" is the results of a presentation (The Silk mysteriouly disappears in the hand.) I personally like "Illusionette" for smaller box type of visual magic props. (Temple Schreen, Head Twister, Sanke Basket, etc.) "Illusion" is a jargon word among magicians to mean the bigger Boxes, such as the many plans by Paul Osborne "Close-up" is things that happen in the hands, or on small table like the Matrix, thumb tip magic, coins, bills, cards, marbels, thimbles, sponge rabbits, Sponges balls, etc. (Non-Stage Magic) "Stage Magic" is a combination of visual props which can be seen by everyone, and can include Illusions and Illusioneetes, large Multipling balls and Card Magic. I don't worry about the word "Trick" When used it means "Magic Trick"
Dennis Michael
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magicleland Regular user 197 Posts |
You guys are too technical! From talking to selected audiences They define Illusions as a large stage prop. That what the audience thinks!
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DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
A lot of my audience would call it a trick .. I personally like to call them illusions
thankyou everyone for ur great responses |
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