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RealDeal JU Veteran user New Jersey 375 Posts |
Im not sure which one I want to do and I want your guys opinions. Im thinking of either multiplying candles or multiplying balls. Which do you all think is the better effect. The candles appear to be a little easier to manipulate, but the balls look great. I could be completely wrong about the candles. Please guys, help me out here.
Jim
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Steven True Special user Bonney Lake,WA 765 Posts |
I would say that it all depends on what your act is going to be. I knew a guy in Calif. that did a great candle act with silks,candles. He did vanishing candles,mulitiplying candles,and finished with a production of a large 4 candleabra. It was a beautiful act and very suave. I did the balls when I worked in Calif. but did not do a lot with them, just a short routine of about 5 mins. I say all of that to say this, what kind of act are you going to put them in?
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RealDeal JU Veteran user New Jersey 375 Posts |
I'm not sure yet. I'll most likely go with the candles because I already have Fantasio vanishing and appearing candles. I don't have any other ball work, so I would be able to tie all the candle work together.
So now, what do you guys think about multiplying candles? Reviews? How does it look? I havent seen a demo of them, but I know the general effect. If you know where there is a demo please let me know. Jim
"Challenge yourself to come up with your own
material, rather than buying into the idea that you have to do the same thing that everyone else is doing to be a good magician." |
Magic Enhancer Inner circle Robert Haas 1805 Posts |
Jim,
If you're going to purchase a set of multiplying candles (ie. nesting candles), please get the from Owen Magic. Great great products. A little pricey, but well worth it. Haas
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RealDeal JU Veteran user New Jersey 375 Posts |
Ok I emailed them about a price. We'll see how much they cost. I am a full time student right now so if they are out of my price range, I wont be able to get them. Here's hoping!!
Jim
"Challenge yourself to come up with your own
material, rather than buying into the idea that you have to do the same thing that everyone else is doing to be a good magician." |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Well I would get back to what Steven touched base on. I never allow the props to dictate the direction of the act I am working on. it should come about the other way around.
Decide who you are, your style and what you want to convey to the audience. What is your character going to be like? What type of style do you feel you are best at? What type of reaction are you after from your audience? Once you define some of this, then that pushes you in the right direction to find the right effects that match it better. Kyle
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Magic Enhancer Inner circle Robert Haas 1805 Posts |
The Owen Candles are roughly $250-$350. Worth the price. If you search magic websites, I think they sell a $50 version. Don't know how good it is though.
Haas
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Sam Tabar Inner circle Austin, Texas 1050 Posts |
RealDeal, if you're going to get a set of multiplying candles from Owen's, read the review by Randy Stewart in this thread. Just scroll down to the last post on the first page or you can just read the whole discussion.
"Knowledge comes from finding the answers, but understanding what the answers mean is what brings wisdom." - Anonymous
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RealDeal JU Veteran user New Jersey 375 Posts |
Wow that review is great. I wish I had the monety to buy them right now. This is currently out of my price range. For now, I'll settle for the cheap $50 version, but as soon as I save up the money, Owen's will be hearing from me.
Jim
"Challenge yourself to come up with your own
material, rather than buying into the idea that you have to do the same thing that everyone else is doing to be a good magician." |
ufo Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 1185 Posts |
The concept of mastering one of the natural elements...fire...is more intriguing than mastering little balls. However, listen to Kyle...its all about WHO doing WHAT and WHY? I do both but in very different types of presentations. My Café friends in the workshop forum gave me advice on making my own multiplying Moon Pies. I do a Moon Pie themed act. Ummm, not all the time, but sometimes. Good luck!
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Thanks Ed. I do appreciate the kind words. I just think to many manipulators think of and rely on their props way too much before they really have defined what itis they are trying to do on stage. You need to really understand who you are and what reaction you want from your audience before you can really go about developing an act that gives the audiences that experience.
Kyle
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Why not both? Mix it up a bit.
I'm with Kyle you've got to go with stuff that gets your juices flowing and fits your character's style. Regards, Kregg
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I think to many manipulators fall in love too much withtheir own props and moves and this inhibits their common sense and better judgement. Instead of performing what works best for the audience and the repsonse you are after, they end up performing for themselves.
They figure they know 150 ways to vanish a card so they feel compelled to show all 150 ways without thinking if it really works for the act and what the audience is seeing. Kyle
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Silvernail Regular user 128 Posts |
I perfer watching candles. in my opinion (if I was a laymen) it would be more impressive to see a magician produce a full sized candle than a billiard ball. just an opinion.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
But then that is a magician thinking like a magician. The magician has the power to really show the audience something so much more then just mere skill and amazement. The manipulator can not just manipulate objects, but a good one can also manipulate the audiences response to what they are watching. The object you manipulate should not be at the essence of what you do. You should never let the objects you manipulate control the act.
Kyle
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
A few thoughts- flame is attractive, especially to the audience. Candles are also more "commonplace" than billiards. They're also a ready source of flame to work with when using flash paper and similiar pyrotechnic effects. However, that being said, with flame comes safety considerations- and not just personal safety. If you're going to be performing with flames inside a building, you need to check with the fire marshall as to whether you need a permit, which could cost money.
Billiards have their own advantages as well (try juggling candles!) If you're performing a show, you need to consider how easily each effect fits into your show. Personally, I went with billiards, as there were a few natural-feeling and obvious (for me) transitions to them from my silk routine (and a few easy segways back from billiards to silks...) That being said, I'd agree with the advice given earlier upthread- try both, and see what fits best. (Then spend the money for a really good set of billiards once you've chosen them! *Just kidding!* )
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Steven True Special user Bonney Lake,WA 765 Posts |
Kyle is my hero. He always has the best stuff to say. Really he is very smart in the area that he speaks. Did that make sense?? Oh well, I agree with most of the posters here. Whatever you decide to do don't go cheap. If you are going to do the act for very long at all you are goin gto need the quality props that will hold up under all of the shows. Owen's for candles and fakini for multiplying balls. I do not use fakini but am going to purchase a set just from what so many here on different forums have said about them. Whatever you do decide on get the good stuff and practice hard. When you do get it all together I hope you get a video of you doing your act so that we can see it. Anyway good luck in what you do.
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Dizzy Elite user UK 437 Posts |
Try and think outside of the box. Manipulate/multiply something different, something unusual. I'm currently working on an act and was given a great piece of advice. An agent can hire many magicians who manipulate and have the tradition cards, candles and billiards so why not add something different so only you can be hired for that job, and well as the regular jobs,
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Dmann Inner circle Crossville, Tennessee 1683 Posts |
Kyle and a lot of other folks are right about making the magic fit you, your act, and one thing I think they both would comment on is that fire effects are not allowed in a lot of performance venues.
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