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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
I help anyone who asks me for it, and has a sincere interest to learn. I wish I had had someone to "show me the ropes" when I was starting out, if not for just telling me what NOT to buy!
A year is quite a short time, but with coaching from someone who's been in the biz for awhile she's got a good start.
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
I would ask her to assist me in my shows so she gets to learn the ropes. I would first lend her a few show tapes of lady magicians such as Melinda, Princess Tenko, etc. Then ask her which one she wanted to be. After that, I would give her a short number in the middle of my show so she gets the feel of it.
My test would be to teach her a simple trick and find out her enthusiasm and presentation. Does she look like she has the personality to be a lady magician. Previously, I've taught some girls a Dancing Cane routine, zombie ball, color changing silks, simple flower manipulations and close up magic. James, you are right in the marketing aspect of this. Lady magicians are a very small percentage in this art. We also don't have one in my country. I tried teaching my lady assistant but she doesn't have the personality.
Magic, Illusions, Juggling, Puppet & Parrot Show ^0^
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Brian:
Thanks so much for the kind words. I just always feel that even though magicians are not trying to single out female magicians, they tend to treat them differently. In a way, instead of just letting them be magicians and treating them like I would any other magician, we tend to go overboard to either treat them like some fragile piece of china or we shut them out entirely. Or, worse yet, we get this impression that they can only be assistants and nothing more. All of which I feel are wrong approaches. In my humble opinion, we magicians can be male or female and we all should treat each other like a magic fraternity. We should treat each other and welcome each other like you would anyone getting into magic. We show support, we listen, we direct and we encourage that person to love magic the way we all should. I would treat a female magician no differently then I would treat any magician.... with a kind hand shake, a warm welcome and an open ear. Kyle
Kyle Peron
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Well said, Kyle.
As a fraternity everyone plays a part. |
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MikeDes Inner circle Montreal 1174 Posts |
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On 2006-03-17 12:22, John1964 wrote: Well I would definitely...what's that dear?...i have to go, my wife is calling. |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Thank you James. It is much appreciated. I teach an SYM club with members ages 7-17. Over the years we have had many lady magicians in our club and they have been encouraged just as we encourage any magician. We have one in our club now who is only about 8 and who already is performing in stage shows and won a talent contest at dutch Wonderland Amusement park. These kids simply amaze me and I try and work with everyone of them to be the best they can be regardless of sex, creed or color.
Kyle
Kyle Peron
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poofersmagic Regular user philadelphia 134 Posts |
Hi guys!
As you know Kyle and I perform for all ages. Whenever we are done with a show, all the girls come up to me and want my autograph. That is awesome and makes me feel good. When they ask about getting started in magic, I tell them that they can do anything they put their minds to. Not to be discouraged. I also tell them to go to the local library and read....look for all the magic books they can. They also come up to me and show me their new magic trick (if they got one for a gift)and I just tell them to keep practicing. I feel that I am a role model for the young ladies, and hope that my kindness will encourage them to pursue the art that we love. Kelly |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
WOW, Kelly, you are really an inspiration to those young ladies. Both you and Kyle are really the pillars in the art of magic in Philadelphia. Keep up the excellent work.
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poofersmagic Regular user philadelphia 134 Posts |
James,
Thanks for the kind words. I look forward to meeting you when you come to the states. Kelly |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
James:
Looks like my wife beat me to the punch. Thank you indeed for your kind words. I always say that Kelly is never an assistant in my show. She is my magic partner. To me there is a huge difference. She is an equal on the stage with me and without her the show lacks so much. She is an intricate part to the success of every show we perform. I also feel that the young ladies who come up to her after the show look up to her. To them she is a role model. There is not many times these young ladies may get to see a women performing magic the way Kelly and I perform it. It is a great way for her to reach out to these young ladies and show them that magic does not have to be just a guy thing. Kyle
Kyle Peron
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
I agree with you, Kyle.
A good act is dependent on every ingredient in it. And everything is equally important. Likewise the performing partner's role should also be recognised, respected and appreciated. Kelly, I look forward to meeting you and Kyle sometime in July. Keep up the much appreciated, respected and recognised work you are doing with Kyle. The young ladies' future can, in many ways, be shaped by you too. They will remember you for life - you will be their icon in their world of magic. |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Thank you so much James. Kelly and I also hope to have the pleasure of meeting you in July at the convention. Something I always remind us before we go onto any stage is the fact that somewhere in that audience may be a young boy or girl who is seing a magician for the very first time. That is big shoes to fill. I want that experience for that child to be a good one. This also means that being a professional for kelly and I does not start when we hit the stage, it is something we always are all the time. It is an attitude and a presence of mind.
Kyle
Kyle Peron
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Yes, I agree with you. We are magicians, not only on stage but off stage too. In fact we should be a magician 24/7.
Many young boy/girl that see a magic performance the first time have their respect and awe for the magician shattered because of the behaviour of the magicians off-stage. That means after the show they became someone else that is shocking to the little boy/girl. How sad! |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I just always remember that I must be a professional on and off the stage. that being one does not start the moment the music starts. It goes far beyond that. I also make an effort to meet and greet every audience after every performance no matter where I am. It is just something Kelly and I do. I feel it is my way of saying thanks for the audience being there.
It also gives young boys and young girls the chance to meet us up close, ask us questions, find out about magic and to go home with a good feeling towards magic that I hope will stay with them for a long time. It is usually at these after show greetings, that young ladies will be drawn towards Kelly. She is right there by my side as an equal and that is a positive message for young girls. it is not me seen as the magician but it is US as a TEAM that they see. They see a powerful women as an equal on the magic stage and that I think draws them to talk to Kelly and find out more. Kyle
Kyle Peron
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
And I see a powerful and respectable Kyle and Kelly team too. You are doing a great job, Kyle and Kelly.
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Chris Becker Veteran user New York, NY 371 Posts |
What ?!?
I so much disagree with some of the posts on this thread! Ok, so this "lady" is obviously an adult (otherwise, the term would not be appropriate). The question was asked in the stage manipulation section! Do we all know what we are talking about here? It's like a 25-year-old being impressed by my piano playing and asking how he/she can be become a professional pianist one year from now. The most this person will ever be able to play is "For Elise". I've studied law, so I can't be an investment banker. I can ski, but I cannot become a tennis coach. Don't you SEE how much HARM you are causing if you are deluding this lady into believing she can do anything like this? Oh my gosh, this is not funny anymore! Sure, she'll be able to do Professor's Nightmare in a few years, maybe a decent TT silk vanish. But stage manipulation? I know of no (successful) professional magician other than Reed McClinntock who started magic after age 15. And those who started after age 12 are usually not the finger flickers. We are talking stage manipulation here! Being overly nice, telling her "You can do it!" is not at all the best way to go about this! It's immoral! Constructive criticism, putting things into perspective would help her the most. And none of the above has anything to do with her being a woman.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I would like to try and shed some light on your post and hopefully show you my own thoughts on the subject. I am hoping it may clarify some of my comments here. The question was asked about what you would tell a lady who wanted to get into manipulative magic. My answer was that I personally would tell her the same as I would anyone else regradless of sex, creed or color.
Of course manipulative magic is not easy. We also know it is not for everyone. But the main point here is that you treat this lady like you would any other magician. You show no special treatment just because she is female. You become realistic and you help her out the best you can. She would know from me that it is tough work. She would know form me that it takes dedication and may not be for everyone. However, this is what I would tell anyone getting into the manipulative arts. It has nothing to do with the sex of the person. It has to do with treating people with respect and showing them the same diginity as I would anyone else. I would not show her specialized treatment and encourage her over someone else just because she is a lady. I would treat her the same as anyone and I would also expect her to abide by the same rules of hardwork and practice as I would any student of the manipulative arts. I hope this may at leats shed some light on my own personal opinions on the subject. This in no way is meant to be a personal attack on anyone and I hope it is not taken that way. Kyle
Kyle Peron
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