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Chicagomagi New user Riverside, IL 93 Posts |
Hi all. Yes another Classic Palm post. Sorry but I need some advice.
I was originally having problems with CP using a Quarter. So I moved up to Halves. The interesting thing was that it seemed easier at first. Then I actually started trying to do a trick where it required me to close my fist then open it wide to do a Spider Vanish. Invariably, when my hand closes into a fist, the half pops out. Then if I do manage to keep the coin in CP, it almost always pops out during the Spider Vanish or my hand looks like that old wrestler Baron Von Rasche "The Claw". So, I tried to downsize back to a Quarter. Low and behold, I seem to now be able to CP the Quarter much better and do an almost flat open palm Spider Vanish. I still have the problem with the coin popping out when I close into a fist. But not as bad. My questions: Is my hand too big or small for the halves or do I just need more work? I certainly don't have a ton of muscle pad at the base of my pinky which I think would help. Secondly, what advise can you give for how to open and close a fist and keep the coin in CP? Thanks in advance for you help! Kent |
dave100 New user 11 Posts |
Try adjusting the height (i.e. distance from wrist) of the CP'ed coin.
Use the 2nd and 3rd finger when closing the fist to wedge it into the palm. |
JoeFreedom Regular user 164 Posts |
Spend some time (a lot) in your daily life walking, driving, watching tv etc, with one in each hand to find what fits best in your hand. If you are young and your still growing, try the quarter. It's definately more common. Halves show better, but to get a good, soft, natural classic palm requires work. There are never shortcuts to perfection.
Joe
JoeFreedom
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're probably right. |
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Joe is correct ther is no short cuts
I could never classic palm a coin that looked right in my hands no matter how I tried I gave up trying 30 years ago I use other methods vinny |
wattomagic New user Sydney Australia 68 Posts |
I use thumb palm for the spider vanish. looks much more natural.
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andrelimantara Special user Surabaya, Indonesia 871 Posts |
Just practice..... even though it'll hurt sometimes but worth the way.....
good luck
"Good performance comes from good practice, Great performance comes from the heart - Andre Limantara"
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Chicagomagi New user Riverside, IL 93 Posts |
Joe, Vin, everyone...
Thanks for your advice. I'm not growing anymore - only around the middle. I obviously plan to keep working on it but it's good to hear the perspective that for some, especially someone with tremendous experience like Vinny, that there might be a point where it's as good as it can get. I was just curious if for some a quarter is as big as they can go because of hand size or if you feel that it's like palming a card, that hand size shouldn't matter. I think the closing of the fist is more knacky than anything else and will improve with practice. Thanks again. Kent |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Pat Page can classic palm a U.S. Dime and hold his hand DEAD FLAT... it is held way up near his wrist.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
Actually quarters and dimes are much much easier for me to CP than a half. I work mainly with halves though. As for the spider vanish, I'll have to agree with wattomagic, I use the thumb palm as well. Unless you have a classic palm like roth or something, most likely it wont look that great. Thumb palm just allows me more freedom of my fingers and hand. Works for me
By the way Pete, the porper poker chip flipper looks neato |
Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
There really are NO short cuts, but there are some 'tricks'...couldn't resist that one. Here's something to try: You are going to stress you palming skills in two ways.
#1- Get a dollar size coin. Use real silver like a Morgan, etc. Work the heck out it in the palm in both hands. Once you have spent at least a couple of days doing ONLY the dollar then try a half again. Seem easier? #2- Get yourself at least 5 half dollars...again, silver is best. 1964 halves or before. Go right to 4 and work at palming them at the same time. Now, go to five if you can. Do this for a couple of days. Go back and forth with the halves in between and also use the quarters also. What you are doing is getting your MIND used to the idea that you CAN in fact classic palm halves. Most of the problem for people once that actually have the position correct is not in the hands, but in the MIND! Example: When I first tried to learn the Purse Palm from Spellbound in Stars of Magic I worked at it, but just could not do it. Gave up. About a year after I had thrown in the towel, I say a friend DO the purse palm. I was able to do it within minutes after my MIND had confirmed that it could in fact be done! What had changed? Not my hands. Only what I thought that I could in fact do. Use the larger coins to stretch your mind and condition your hands to using the differing sizes of coins. Soon the size will not matter. Best,
Brad Burt
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bobn3 Special user Wichita, KS 718 Posts |
You're right, there are no short cuts. Several years ago, I was riding with Joe Stevens (of Stevens Magic) and Michael Ammar in Joe's van going from Wichita, KS to St. Louis. It was about a ten to eleven hour drive. Michael did the classic palm of a half, taking it in and out for the whole trip.
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F-Hmagic New user 56 Posts |
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JoeFreedom: Spend some time (a lot) in your daily life walking, driving, watching tv etc, with one in each hand to find what fits best in your hand. I was doing this very thing (with half-dollars) at work the other day. I figure that the the more practice I get, and the more adverse the conditions, the better I will end up being. I was washing dishes, and had gotten used to the coin being in my hand. Then I went to empty the trash and quickly remembered that I was holding a half dollar, when it fell into the trash can! Luckily there was an empty can near the top, which the coin fell into, and I was able to retrieve it with little trouble. I washed that coin off, and started right back! Paid more attention to what I was doing, though, let me tell you!
What?! How'd that get there?!
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Chicagomagi New user Riverside, IL 93 Posts |
First another thank you to those that have offered suggestions. Please, let me be clear that I'm not seeking a magic - I couldn't resist either Brad - shortcut.
I intend on continuing to work on it. Brad's suggestions are great and I certainly understand how the mind can affect my ability. I often get frustrated and I simply fall apart. If I stop and come back later or days later, I usually improve if only a little. It's like anything else, the mind and body have to learn. That requires time and is cyclical I think. Anyway, it sounds like bigger is better - nudge nudge. I'll try some silver dollars and see how it goes. Thanks! |
Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Be sure to use the 4-5 halves at one time mode also. You'll surprised at what happens. On the coming back and seeing improvement: I have noted this odd phenom for many years and I believe that it has to do with what happens in our minds when we practice something intensely, then leave for a time and come back. I believe that the mind uses the interim to integrate what went on into the basic neurology of the body so that when the skill is revisited later ACTUAL improvement has taken place!
Over the years when I would get stuck on the improvement scale I would deliberatly stop for 1-2 weeks and attempt to not even think of the sleight, etc. for the duration of the time away. Almost without fail when I did return I would be able to move past my former high point and improve. Best,
Brad Burt
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
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On 2006-04-12 11:44, BradBurt wrote: While working on my Classic Palm, I have experienced the what Brad mentions above. I usually have 4 half dollars in my pocket. They make noise when I walk, so I naturally take them out of my pocket and palm them. I try to drop them one at a time and transfer them from hand to hand without making any noise. Try it, Mike
Magic is fun!!!
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JoeFreedom Regular user 164 Posts |
Brad,
I LOVE the purse palm! You are correct in training the hands for muscle memory. It's similar to using a poker size deck to learn with. When given a bridge size it's gravy. It usually doesn't work the other way though. Great advice! Joe
JoeFreedom
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