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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I have a Z fold wallet, and I know Ammar highly touts this, but I don't use the wallet much because I can't quite get over this little glitch: if I perform an effect, and I am using cards that have to be placed back in the wallet to be switched for an examinable set of dupes, what possible motivation can I offer for putting the cards BACK in the wallet before I take them out again a moment later?? There has to be some LOGICAL reason for doing this, or else it will just be a huge problem.
Any ideas from anyone here with experience in this? Thanks!
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Hey daffy,
I use the z fold in conjuction (or to accomplish) Gertners Invisible Palm trick. Ive seen the cards put back, then as an after thought the cards are brought back out to give to the specs. Another thing to do is to put the cards away, close the wallet, then open it again to take something else out, switching the cards in the process. Hows that?
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
That's a start...I had thought about the first part..(handing the cards out for examination as an "afterthought") but what would you do if they immediately ask you to examine them before you are able to put them back in? How woud you handle that situation? Would you perhps say "No", then put them back in the wallet, then pretend to change your mind after the switch? (may sem a litle contrived at that point)
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Well, to be hounest, the only tick cards I use are douvies printing (cant spell his name, sorry), and the cards are examinable at the end.
Darwin uses wild card, and he discusses ways to get the trick cards out of play and switching in the normal ones. The only gaff cards I use are ID, so Im not the best guy to talk about it. I think its fine to put them in the wallet, then take something lse out of the wallet, leaving the cards in view (switched already of course).
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Captain Jack New user Sacramento 53 Posts |
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On 2006-04-11 05:35, daffydoug wrote: When that happens, I usually tell them "of course not" and put them in the wallet. As I am starting to put the wallet away I will say something like "ahh...I'm just kidding." Everyone looks up at me at that point and we all laugh. That provides me all the misdirection I need...and the deed is done.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
That's a good approach..perhaps just the ruse I was looking for! Excellent! Thanks!
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
You are correct, the motivation in this type of switch is literally EVERYTHING. Here is the subterfuge that I have used: Do whatever effect you are doing with the packet and then immeadiately put it back into the wallet. Toss wallet onto table in full view. DON'T go to pocket. Say something here about how amazing you personally find certain kinds of magic, etc. Find something that works for you. Then say, hey, let me show you something...
You take out the ungaffed set of cards and do an effect that you can do with those cards. Daly's Last Trick if that works, etc. I hate switches that happen with no apparent purpose....gaffs go into wallet, wallet into pocket and then you take it out and say something like, "Here, take a look at them!" I have seen this done. Spectator's are NOT stupid. They may not say anything leading us to rationalize that we 'got away with it', but we didn't. You need some reason to take the cards out and then do something with them. And, even if you plan on just switching them DON'T go to the pocket! Toss the wallet out as if you didn't have a care in the world. Then if 'they' ask to see the cards, you can naturally open the wallet and take them out. But, even in this situation I would still do something else with them, not just take them out on demand and let them be examined. Tons of reasons why, but the most important is that YOU are in charge of the situation. Or, should be. It's not up to you to satisfy the curiosity of the spectators no matter how badly they want to see something. I have done Twisted Sisters at least a thousand times, maybe more. In not one case did a spectator ever ask to see the cards. Not one! The reason I think is that it is a totally killer trick that does NOT look gaffed in any way and thus folks just don't think to ask. Now, look at Wild Card. Here is one of the all time great card tricks. Its one flaw if you want to look at it that way, is that it DOES in fact look gaffed. The trick is so amazing, but in a moment you WANT to look at the cards. You need to take this difference in packet effects into account. Consider the following axiom: The more that folks WANT to examine a packet of cards the harder it is to do a convincing switch of those cards to clean up. Why? Because the focus of their interest will linger on the cards longer and the cards will demand more of their attention as you move them after the presentation! All best,
Brad Burt
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
I'd prefer this not get outside the café into print, but here is something simple that seems to work.
At the right moment, you pick up the cards but leave one "by accident" on the table as you are talking to your audience and reach down to pick up the cards. They go into the wallet and you close up and start to put it away. Then you see the card on the table. That's the moment you take the packet out, insert the loose card and ... BTW, it's usually not a good idea to examine things after a routine. It really hampers the flow of an act and puts a focus upon puzzle solving as opposed to enjoying the show.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Brad,
Thanks for your help.. I had a couple thoughts, though. When you toss the wallet casually on the table, their are some spectators who will take that as their cue and quickly grab the wallet ..and once they have it in their grubby paws, you are sunk. The effect I am working on as of late that uses gaffs is a Nick Trost effect where four aces transform into a royal flush. This is indeed one of those effects where they can only suspect gaffed cards...if they are not allowed to examine them, they will surely conclude (truthfully so) that you were using "trick cards". The only way to dufuse that is, unfortunately, to let them examine the cards. This will steal the last possible vestige of an explanation from their heads. Thus the Z fold wallet.
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Dear Daffydoug:
Here's a copy of the first of Free Mini Magic Lesson dealing with audience proximity and what to do about it. People that grab stuff is a problem and there are ways to deal with it. In a professional setting what you describe will almost never happen. Even if the trick is very compelling. Some of what is below may be of help. Best, brad This is the first of those lessons and deals with one of the critical areas of magical performance whether you are just starting out or whether you are a full time pro. The issue? SPACE and Audience Proximity. Here is a situation that you can probably see in your minds eye....maybe, because it has happened to you! You are performing a trick for one or more friends and one of them reaches over and grabs the critical prop at the critical time and basically ruins the performance. Got it? Everyone and I mean Everyone has been through this. You hate it, but it happens. BUT....here's the cool thing....it does not have to ever happen again and I'm going to tell you how to manage things so that it does 'not' happen again. First, just simply be prepared. It is very much as if you are looking for the hitman in the shadows when you go to the store at night. Just being aware that it can happen will stop it from being a problem about 75% of the time. Why is that? Because, if you are aware of it you can move at the same time the 'mugger' does. You can take action. Second, you can now become more aware of SPACE and 'Audience Proximity'. Here it is: Look at the show situation. PLACE your spectators far enough away that they simply CAN'T grab anything!!! Trust me on this: YOU control the situation... especially before anything starts! Say, "Look let's get everyone (or you if only one person) situated like this so that everyone will be able to see exactly what is going on." See what I mean. Be the nice guy who want's to help your audience out! It is this simple....put audience members at just that distance from you so that they cannot mess with your show. As time goes on you will KNOW who will be a problem. Not always, but mostly. Anyone drunk can be real bad news, but not necessarily. For what ever reason women tend to grab more than men and they are FAST! It is like a Zen stone snatching trick. Watch the wise guy who seems to be in your face verbally. Watch how people are poised. Relaxed and sitting back having a good time. Leaning forward with the skin of their face stretched tight their eyes glowing with a feral animal *lust* to mess with your performance? You won't get many of that last, but I thought I should bring him up. In the end, simply control the situation gently. People 'want' to see the magic and they will almost always help you get it going by doing as you politely request. Take care and talk with you soon, Brad Burt
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