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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Quote: On 2006-05-25 01:23, JackScratch wrote:
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
My last actually requires a caveat: CERTAINLY a presentation emphasizing magic-as-lie has the POTENTIAL to alienate an audience and go over like a lead balloon, i.e. "I'm fooling you and you can't figure out how...I'm smarter than you..." HOWEVER, there is nothing inherently negative about the lie/deception/etc. or, as above, even making reference to it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Of Course we're lying, how else? We just don't tell them we're lying. That seems to be the thing that's bugging Drew about all of this. If you told them, then you set up a "challenge" situation for them to try and catch you. You lose the mystique, or dilemma, and it just turns into a competition.
Some performers have the character to pull it off. Sonny Holiday is one. Watching his act, I really don't like the guy's character. But he's a street worker, and a different set of rules seem to apply. (also see Gazzo) I personally don't like Sonny's "See if you can catch me... I don't think you can. I'm gonna fool you real bad..." attitude, but it works for him. Martin Nash's "Charming Cheat" is a character that tells you up front what he's going to do, and that works for him. I'm more in line with Whit's "pseudo-teaching" character, where I can "explain" a few things as we go... but not really. Am I lying? Of course I am. But the acting comes into play in making the lie out to be believable, at least for a moment before something happens to make them wonder what it is they just witnessed. It's that grain of believability that crosses the line from me just playing the part, to being the part, and then back again.
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Vater Araignee Regular user MI 172 Posts |
We lie, be it with our mouths or our gestures, personally I have no problems with this. We as performers should be allowed to have a reasonable expectation of our audiences. We shouldn't have to remind the adults that it is "Artistic Deception" and I don't know about what you may think but it is not my job to destroy a kids fantasy that's for the parent to do. I'm not saying that we should not bust on people getting rich with phony psychic phenomenon like Jon Edwards. But bust on ourselves? COME ON it is Artistic Ethical Deception. I mean maybe I'm stupid but I just don't see the point in debating the "Magicians Lie" maybe somebody can elaborate the point for me.
Now I do have a problem with those of us (I'll not name names) that claim that "I'm not going to do a trick, It's just a stunt" and then in fact do a trick. It's even more low down when said person says I'm doing this stunt to pay homage to X. If your going claim it's only a stunt then only do a stunt. If your going to do a trick then don't claim otherwise or better yet "Keep your trap shut."
"Good enough never is." - Vater Araignee
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I do like to look for how magic relates to art which shows us the art in magic.
So I find it interesting how lying is being related to art. I do not pretend to fully understand but I try. Now they say the camera never lies. For the sake of argument lets say that the spirit of that is true. Can we say then, a photo is not art because it dipicts the truth. A painting on the other hand does tell lies it seems to me and that's what makes it art? I put a question mark there as I don't know how to express what I mean. I will try: The painter does not paint the truth but what what he wants us to believe. Is that not simular to part of the art in magic?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
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On 2006-05-24 14:33, kregg wrote: BELIEVE (think as possible) - MOMENT (not the situation) - REAL (a Medium of exchange) The audience connects with the humanity of the moment after they take in the set and get over the fact that I am not just reciting well crafted, rehearsed lines. "How does he remember all those lines?" This must seem real, if not the aphasiac ward will let out a guffaw. Once backstage after a blackout another actor said, "Did you see those women crying when you were killed in that scene?" (My eyes were closed how could I?) After the show, a women brought her daughter backstage to verify that Riff was a character and that the actor was very much alive. I dread to think that the girl left the theater believing what happened on stage was real. Though possible in stunts gone bad or snuff films, this would be reckless for a theatrical production to do anything other than leave an impression or as a tool draw their audiences deeper into the show as it unfolds. Plus, I'd miss my curtain call. Note: Of those accepting the moment with willing mind, I did not die, nobody came to my aid, nor did anyone dial 911 - they knew the rules. I made them believe in the moment and we all left standing.
POOF!
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