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Parson Smith Inner circle 1937 Posts |
If I knew what makes a good magician, I would be one.
Peace, Parson
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jayhoward New user 59 Posts |
I think everybody raised some good points. For me, the crux of the matter is this - the word trick means to deceive or cheat. From that point of view if you do a "trick" that doesn't do anything more than trick people, they feel deceived and cheated. However, if you entertain them at the same time, they enjoy it, and don't have a sense they were somehow made fools of. I would say the skill has to be there to make the entertainment aspect fly, but without the PRESENTATION, it's just pure trickery. Also, MagicMan845 raised a good point - does anyone know of any good videos that focus on PRESENTATION, and not just different camera angles on the technical matters of how the trick is done?
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Ivan Hamaric New user Croatia 94 Posts |
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On 2006-07-14 13:57, magicman845 wrote: These types of books ARE in every magicians library. Or, to change the emphasis of the sentence, these types of books are in every MAGICIANS library. People who don't see the importance of some of the works on the subject are in no position to call themselves magicians anyway. Hence, any person who is, or has any chance of ever becoming a magician either owns them, or is planning to purchase them, trust me. Sadly, there are working pros in the magic business who don't care about these works, but since I don't consider them to be magicians, my first sentence holds true. As far as videos are concerned, they alone are an inferior tool for teaching drama skills and presentation, if for no other reason, than because they cannot be long enough to effectively cover the topic. This is the main reason why there is a small number of DVDs on presentation. Books are much more practical in this case. Furthermore, I believe there is an ample amount of books on the market that deal with presentation. Here are some examples: Strong Magic by Darwin Ortiz The Fitzkee trilogy by Dariel Fitzkee Our Magic by Nevil Maskelyne and David Devant Absolute Magic by Derren Brown Magic and Showmanship by Henning Nelms Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber The Books of Wonder by Tommy Wonder Magic of Ascanio Vol.1 by Arturo Ascanio Beyond secrets by Jay Sankey Various essays by Eugene Burger scattered throughout his books And these are just "on top of my head". There is much to add to this list. The point is, it's all there, you just have to take it. As far as DVDs on presentations go, I'm not as qualified here, as I do not own many, but "Visions of Wonder DVD set", "As I recall... Slydini", "Rene Lavand DVD set", to name a few, should teach you a thing or two about presentation.
"Doubtless the pleasure is as great
Of being cheated, as to cheat..." Samuel "Hudibras" Butler (1612-1680) |
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mister lizard New user Plantation, FL 1 Post |
I'm what you'd call a "Corporate Trainer." I've been new to magic for nearly 47 years and need to improve because I like to use magic in the classroom. after reading this thread, I have to wonder if the presentation skills of a corporate trainer are anything like those of a magician. There must certainly be similarities: engaging your audience early in the process, good eye contact, good elocution, etc. But I'm willing to bet there are a lot of differences, too. What'dy'a think?
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jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
Nobody really likes to be fooled, but everybody likes to be entertained. It's all in the presentation. Case in point: Criss Angel. He can make a 10 minute routine out of vanishing a girl, when all she does is walk off the set.
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robert bianchi Regular user New Jersey 159 Posts |
I would first vote for immagination, which I think is the precursor to presentation.
If you have great immagination for what will be awesome and powerful in the minds of your audience, you will do magic that is beyond the average magician. After that, you have to support the ideas with you presentation, which is equally important, but must first be based upon your great and novel ideas. Bob |
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P.T. Murphy Loyal user 224 Posts |
YOU make a good magician! We are all to ready to look outside of ourselves. We are all to ready to look for the next DVD or book or trick or look to the next GURU who is selling us the answer. STOP! Just for a few minutes...ALL OF US! Think about what it is that REALLY interests you in magic. Think about what it really is that you want to share with your audience. LISTEN to that little voice inside of you. Don't listen to the bog voice of your EGO. Listen to that voice that you rarely do. You gut, instinct call it what you will. Then proceed accordingly. If you start from there and are HONEST and SINCSERE in your attempts, I feel that you cannot help but be a good magician. The moves are easy, the script will come with time, the look is a shopping trip away, BUT being a REAL, LIVE, SINCERE performer is HARD!
P.T. Murphy
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