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x-treem Inner circle 1133 Posts |
As far as someone not being able to buy it at a magic shop, (at least in Wisconsin) it is not so much about legality as it is a crack down by insurance agencies. Fire protection is through the roof (pun?) and many stores which did carry flash products no longer can afford the insurance on it. That was the explaination I got from my supplier here.
A direct from text adaptation : The Strange Case Of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde Starring Mickey Rooney in his final role.
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pyromagician Veteran user Tennessee 312 Posts |
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On 2002-03-30 21:56, Greg Arce wrote: http://www.themagiccorner.com/catalog/tricks/fire.htm http://www.themagiccorner.com/catalog/tricks/fire.htm http://www.magiclegends.com/firemag.html http://daytonamagic.net/customer/index.cfm abra4magic.com http://www.abramagic.com/shopaction.cfm?CatID=13 Of course there are more - that's just a few and never forget http://www.themagicwarehouse.com
P.S. this is what part of the alphabet would look like if "Q" and "R" were eleminated
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Wil Castor Regular user Seattle 144 Posts |
Just as a sort of addendum to this, for those who play with fire and travel by plane it's obvious that the material would not be conducive to carry on but on a potentially more serious note I have a friend who performs regularly who had to spend a few hours with airport security, national guard and the Faa doing a free impromptu show to prove he was in fact a magician and to explain the residual nitrates they picked up on his bag and hands at a security check. so, should you get pulled out of line and treated like you have a bomb be prepared to explain yourself.
Pain is the craft entering into the apprentice.
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
In California it is illegal to possess, use, or sell flashpaper without a pyrotech liscense. Magic shops are not allowed to sell it, although some do under the table. The rule is not rigidly inforced, but could be at anytime.
Obtaining a pyro license in most states is not difficult and is probably a good idea. Like liability insurance it is useful protection against the worst case scenario. Mark Kalin was sued early in his career for accidentally burning a pinhole size mark in an audience members dress with a tiny piece of thrown flashpaper. She sued for $100,000 +. We have had magicians set fire to the curtains at the Magic Castle from time to time. One stupid mistake at a school show, and the performer could be locked up for a long time. Knowing the state and local fire laws, and having appropriate safety precautions in place--fire extinguisher, bucket of water or sand, etc. is very important in stage shows of any kind. In close-up and walkaround, it will usually not be much of an issue. But we are for the most part contracted and therefore responsible parties for any public appearance. Most contracts indemnify the booker, and make us responsible for any accidents. It could mean your house, and a continuous judgment over future earnings. Worth keeping in mind. |
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Derek New user 2 Posts |
For those of you in California, here is an update on the license process:
The State Fire Marshall is currently reviewing the requirement that Pyrotechnic Operator - Performer's are required to submit letters of reference from 5 (yes, that's right - 5!) licensed Pyrotechnic Operators. Since the requirement to get a Pyro Performer license is that a person have no prior experience, the current regulation is pretty odd, and it makes it difficult for magicians to get a license to use flash paper legally. If you have been thinking about getting a license, but were put off by the requirements, get in touch with the State Fire Marshall. Maybe if enough of us make some noise, the application process will get changed and fewer magicians will be using fire and smoke illegally. |
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Photovoric New user 3 Posts |
I buy flashpaper from several magic shops locally, in Shasta county, California. I've never had a problem up here.
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The Cardfather Veteran user Long Beach, CA 347 Posts |
Just a thought, bookies used to keep their records on flash paper in case of raids they could immediately ignite the evidence. May be another reason they make it so tough to get.
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6th Sense New user UK 5 Posts |
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On 2002-03-30 20:02, pyromagician wrote: What is it called? I can't find anything of the kind. Help!
Try try and try again.
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abrell Loyal user Remscheid, Germany 284 Posts |
There are restrictions worldwide and there are good reasons for it. Flash paper is nitrocellulose! Nitrocellulose is an explosive, therefore there is no special law for it, but the law for explosives is valid for it. Ask a chemist and he should be able to research immediately all precautions and safety guides for this stuff. Large amounts can be deadly! Proper storing and handling is not easy to do!
When there is no accident, maybe no one asks - but when there is any accident you surely have used an explosive without being allowed to do so... |
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John Iacono New user N. California 53 Posts |
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On 2002-10-27 01:23, Derek wrote: What is even more odd in Ca. I have a Commercial pyro lic. I took me five years of working with Lic. pyros to get my letters of referance to take my test. I shot commercial fireworks, but I still cannot by flash paper with that license. Pyro laws in cal. are a real pain in the but. |
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abrell Loyal user Remscheid, Germany 284 Posts |
This topic gets "new" every ten weeks or so... Flash paper is nitro cellulosis. All kinds of explosives deserve knowledge and licenses. You work in venues and there are very strict regulations. That someone does not know them does not mean there are no. First ask a professional pyrotechnician and a stage manager before using fire (candle, cigarette, dove pan) or any kind of pyrotechnics. You maybe will be astonished about the precautions and regulations for a single cigarette on the stage of any theatre. And there are very good reasons for these regulations! Not knowing these regulations is a serious danger for your whole property (no insurance will pay) and your freedom (prison), so find out before you cause an accident!
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Der Magier New user 24 Posts |
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On 2001-09-25 03:35, Steve Brooks wrote: This stuff can be confusing as it varies between states, counties, and even cities. Shops don't always make it easier either. For example, where I live, Michael's can sell you modle rockets as well as the motors, but firing them off (or even owning them if someone's having a bad day)is illegal. |
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Der Magier New user 24 Posts |
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On 2001-11-03 14:55, magiker wrote: It does seem like that sometimes, doesn't it. The neat thing about it is you can "vote with your feet" if things aren't the way you like them. |
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Der Magier New user 24 Posts |
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On 2001-11-03 14:55, magiker wrote: It does seem like that sometimes, doesn't it. The neat thing about it is you can "vote with your feet" if things aren't the way you like them. |
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Der Magier New user 24 Posts |
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On 2002-12-10 01:42, Photovoric wrote: Whoa, right in my neighbor hood! You said "shops". I only know of one (quasi) magic shop in the area. Care to divulge? |
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