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tdaube Loyal user Nevada 229 Posts |
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On 2006-11-28 03:30, sleightofhand1 wrote: If you want to save money then just do the original classic version. It will cost you nothing. Is KAOS the cheapest? I think there are other cheap versions, too. tdaube |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Tdaube...good point...it IS a killer effect to the layman...it's just that in most of the places I'm asked to perform something, I don't usually have the luxury of "setting up"...
I must admit, though...if people have seen you do the Kennedy version before, KAOS (being impromptu), will most likely have a greater impact. Man...the money I've spent to educate myself!! LOL!! Doug |
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tdaube Loyal user Nevada 229 Posts |
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On 2006-11-28 21:05, Dougini wrote: KAOS is different from other Card Thru Window methods because KAOS is designed for situations where the outside of the glass is accessible to everyone. That is why it is weaker than other versions where the outside of the glass is not accessible. It's an interesting variation, but limited in impact. The original intention of the Card Thru Window effect was that is is IMPOSSIBLE because there is no access to the back of the glass. tdaube |
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
That's not true. This is a different effect than most CTWs. It's a surgical removal. The whole point is that you have to be on the other side of the glass to removes the card. I think it makes the effect very strong. Especially when they see your hands empty before you do it. The effect is very well motivated.
You can't think of Kaos as being the same effect as other CTWs. It's a different approach.
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tdaube Loyal user Nevada 229 Posts |
You're right, Cameron. It's a surgical removal. But wouldn't it be MUCH better to have a "surgical" penetration where everyone is inside the room and no one has access to the back of the window? You can do this with the corner penetration in Kennedy's version.
Audiences are not dumb. If there is no access to the back of the window and the card (or corner) penetrates, there is NO WAY they can possibly figure it out. tdaube |
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sickmagic Special user 528 Posts |
As a working pro, I have always wanted a ctw that was practical this has fit the bill. I am pleased with the purchase and think that it is a great approach to a classic of magic. I know that the method is simple, however the visuals make up for it. Great purchase and well worth the money.
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Tempesta Elite user USA 404 Posts |
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On 2006-11-28 22:32, tdaube wrote: Those are not card through Window effects though, they are card to impossible location effects, where the card ends up on the opposite side of the glass, stuck on the glass by some strange substance. I created KAOS because I never understood the concept of having a card appear on the opposite side of a window by a spring, and then it being stuck to the glass with some strange substance. I'd rather be relevant and make sense, than be impossible. I try to present my magic more realistically, rather than puzzle my audience. //Sean B.
//Sean Beard
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tdaube Loyal user Nevada 229 Posts |
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Those are not card through Window effects though, they are card to impossible location effects, where the card ends up on the opposite side of the glass, stuck on the glass by some strange substance. [/quote] The classic version of Card Thru Window is the definition of the effect, which is also a card to impossible location as you point out. The "strange substance" adhesive is a non-issue because the card is out of reach and will either be removed by the Magician or by a spectator at a later time. KAOS is the exception to the rule. With KAOS you have created a new and very interesting subcategory - the visible, surgical penetration requiring zero preparation. Very good thinking and I am looking forward to future iterations in this genre. [/quote] I created KAOS because I never understood the concept of having a card appear on the opposite side of a window by a spring, and then it being stuck to the glass with some strange substance. [/quote] Kaos and other versions will be amazing when done properly whether there is a spring bringing a card into place or the Magician palming off a card and pretending to remove it from behind the glass. I personally like the utter impossibility of the "impossible location" aspect, especially because the audience assumes that the card is inside until the shocking ending! But for situations where there is access to both sides of the glass (open car doors, open sliding glass doors, etc.) I think KAOS is an ingenious application. Kudos to you for great thinking! tdaube |
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tdaube Loyal user Nevada 229 Posts |
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Those are not card through Window effects though, they are card to impossible location effects, where the card ends up on the opposite side of the glass, stuck on the glass by some strange substance. The classic version of Card Thru Window is the definition of the effect, which is also a card to impossible location as you point out. The "strange substance" adhesive is a non-issue because the card is out of reach and will either be removed by the Magician or by a spectator at a later time. KAOS is the exception to the rule. With KAOS you have created a new and very interesting subcategory - the visible, surgical penetration requiring zero preparation. Very good thinking and I am looking forward to future iterations in this genre. Quote:
Kaos and other versions will be amazing when done properly whether there is a spring bringing a card into place or the Magician palming off a card and pretending to remove it from behind the glass. I personally like the utter impossibility of the "impossible location" aspect, especially because the audience assumes that the card is inside until the shocking ending! But for situations where there is access to both sides of the glass (open car doors, open sliding glass doors, etc.) I think KAOS is an ingenious application. Kudos to you for great thinking! tdaube |
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Tempesta Elite user USA 404 Posts |
Thanks man!
I completely know where you're coming from, too. Hey, when you have a style, you gotta do what works right? : ) You do make some good points as well. //Sean
//Sean Beard
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
Get a pack of playing cards and put a picture of famous magicians on each of them.
So one card with David Copperfield on, Criss Angel, Wayne Dobson, Paul Daniels, Mark Wilson, Penn, Teller, Lance Burton etc. Then have one card with a picture of you on. Your card is the one that walks through the window, proving yourself to be a better magician than all the rest! It plays up the comedy angle, makes it last longer with the talk about other magicians and moves it away from being just another boring card trick. Steve |
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jas New user 6 Posts |
I've always wanted to do CTW but I hate the idea of setups. I'm just a more impromptu kind of performer because I'm more of a hobbyist, so I usually perform tricks on request in a casual setting and not so much as part of a "show". The Kaos method has 2 drawbacks: 1. You don't show your hands empty before going to the other side of the glass. 2. Spectators need to be on the opposite side of the glass. But I think both of these are solved through the performance. When you do the trick, the audiences don't see you show your hands before going to the other side, but they don't see you hiding them either. So they remember that "He gave me the pack and his hands were empty" or "His hands were on his lapels in plain view the whole time" (as Garcia does). And when you step around to the other side you show your hands empty almost instantaneously. Also, if you sell the trick right in the beginning, no one knows what is happening and will be focused on the side of the glass you start on. I usually draw there attention to the spread and tell them to watch as I go around to the other side. I haven't once had anyone follow me.
Anyway, it's a great method that makes you think "Why didn't I think of that!", and is completely impromptu. It's also a lot cheaper and still blows people away. Last but not least, even though all the spectators see is the card spread, if you do the trick right they should see the card emerge over the top of the spread and you can even take your hand away for a moment to show the card halfway through. |
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pkson79 New user 40 Posts |
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On 2006-12-04 07:38, ku7uk3 wrote: That was a really nice idea. funny too. cheers PK
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http://themooloolabashuffle.com Not necessarily a new user, just lurking for 10 years, and either agreeing or disagreeing silently. |
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smitty Veteran user Picton, Ontario 358 Posts |
I just received Kaos today on a trade. This is an awesome effect and very impromptu. I knew 'how' it was done after watching it a couple times, but still wanted to get the DVD, for Daniel's extra touches on the effect. The bonus was that there were some other ways to do this effect. Even the Sean's original handling is VERY good.
I have NO CLUE how other Card Thru Windows work, but this one is a WINNER in my opinion. I will learn and perform this. Thank you Sean, Daniel and Ellusionist for making this effect possible. Smitty |
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wookie150 New user 3 Posts |
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On 2007-05-25 00:01, smitty wrote: This looks like an awesome effect!! I am very excited about it. you hit it on the head when you said that you get the extra touches from the DVD. I think I will buy it. From watching it, you can figure a couple of ways to do it, but sure enough buying the DVD gets you the expert's help. The effects that I have speculated on and then ordered have always been way less complex than I figured. I am a beginning magician, so I really appreciate the helping touches from the big dogs!! |
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Steve Haynes Inner circle Southeastern United States 1119 Posts |
I use a memorized deck,and after a few effects with "shuffling",i have a card named and then place the "shuffled deck" on the glass.............
Nuf said |
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shinobi Loyal user Durban, South Africa 272 Posts |
On 2006-11-20 09:40, Kronos9326 wrote:
To me.. a lot of these posts are merely fishing trips where one hopes that they can discover the secret without having to shell out the money for themselves. That may be the case in some instances, but if someone wants an effect without paying for it, its much easier to use a P2P network or torrent than to 'fish' on a message board. Makes more sense that a 'fisher' would be a legit magician, who wants to buy, but wants to get their money's worth. IMHO of course |
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