|
|
Bluzzmagic New user Las Vegas 70 Posts |
Having just begun acquiring gaffed decks, I got my very first stripper deck.
It is a blue bicycle stripper deck. The gaff in the deck is very obvious to me with even a glance, and I am wondering if this is normal? It seems to only be gaffed along one edge....is this also normal? My concern is that any spectator would spot this as easily as I do, especially since some of the tricks I have read about requiring a stripper deck state to have the spectator place his choice face down on the table. I can't imagine laying one of these cards down like that and not instantly spotting something funny. I just am curious if I got a bad example of a stripper deck...or if this is the norm?
"Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy working overtime." J. Lennon & P. McCartney
|
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
My guess is you got a cheap magic shop deck. The real work, gamblers use, is generally with borderless cards and is incredibly fine and almost impossible to see, let alone do.
Go to You Tube and search "N Strippers" and see what DOC can do with a real stripper deck.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
|
Chris Henderson Special user Indiana -- Anyone w/ no life would have 563 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-03-28 18:58, Bluzzmagic wrote: If you handle cards quite a bit, you are more apt to notice such things than spectators who probably don't handle cards other than their once a month poker night with the same deck of cards they've been using for the past 5 years. They are more likely to notice something is wrong with the cards due to any "guilt" you may project while using them. Your attitude can hide a great many sins of the cards that would otherwise be spotted. That said, it is always possible they could be so badly cut that a spectator may spot something about them that doesn't seem quite right. Quote:
I just am curious if I got a bad example of a stripper deck...or if this is the norm? Anything is possible. Perhaps you could practice with this deck while you order another one from another dealer?
"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief"
--Gerry Spence |
Chris Henderson Special user Indiana -- Anyone w/ no life would have 563 Posts |
Try a Fine Cut deck from Cards By Martin.
"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief"
--Gerry Spence |
silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
If it's a factory stripper from Bicycle, then it represents medium to heavy work. If it's a Bicycle deck that's been cut by somebody else, it could be any cut under the sun.
It is normal for hindu or wedge strippers to be cut on one side only. You don't need to cut the other side if you think about it. I'd think twice before ordering a custom fine cut from anybody. A true fine cut can be difficult to pull for somebody who hasn't been working with strippers for a while. Remember, true fine cut strippers aren't generally designed to be used by magicians, they're designed to be used by hustlers, and hustlers tend not to use these types of strippers any more, fine cut included. Much comes down to what you're doing with the deck. As Rocinante wisely points out above, a lot of this might be your own guilt complex for using gaffed cards that you yourself feel are easily spotted. Although strippers in general aren't the mystery they once were to the general public, if your card effect is designed to mask the use of a stripper deck, you'll be pretty clean. The thing not to do is have somebody take a card, put it back in the deck, and then 'magically' pull it from the deck itself. That WILL give everything away. I have a lot of fun with various strippers, and you might want to find yourself a USPCC Bicycle factory cut stripper deck (not a Bicycle deck that's been cut by a magic shop) and see if the work in those cards suits your purpose better. If it's still to heavy, and you can comfortably pull them, that's when you might consider a custom cut deck with a finer cut. As for worrying about a spec spotting your stripper deck, something that's said many times here on the Café and elsewhere is 'don't run when you're not being chased'. |
Bluzzmagic New user Las Vegas 70 Posts |
Thanks for all your answers......my "guilt" and/or running when I am not being chased are other issues entirely....ones that I still fight at times I will freely admit.
But I learned a lot about stripper decks in general from these responses. Didn't realize there was so much variance in decks, silly me. In the case of the deck I got, my own guilt or not, I still think it screams out as "look at me" if a card is on my close up mat, almost the entire border is gone at one end of the card. However, on the other hand...the severity of its cut makes it easy to use for a beginner to practice with, so there is the silver lining. To be honest I am not even sure this is something I want to invest too much energy into right now anyway....have way too much fun/work to do with my ungaffed deck still, but I truly appreciate everyone's response.
"Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy working overtime." J. Lennon & P. McCartney
|
jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
Bluzzmagic:
I have about a half dozen stripper decks. Some are cut better than others. I have a cheapie deck that's almost impossible to tell. I also have a professional Bicycle deck that's very obvious to me, and my wife even noticed it. I guess it depends on who cut the deck, and more $$$ doesn't always mean a more deceptive deck. This may be one advantage to buying them from a "brick & mortar" shop. Jim |
Sweet M New user Oklahoma 56 Posts |
I have 2 stripper decks, an inexpensive hindu cut, and a highly commercial black belly set of strippers. Oddly, as stated above, the commercial deck is easily more obvious to notice a cut than it is in the inexpensive deck. Sad to me that we can get so excited (or sucked in)re:the possibilities of a purchase and then..........Oh well, I guess that's business.
The Reality Unfolds.......Dedicate And Transform
TRU DAT, Sweet M |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I guess it's not the difference between Inexpensive one and Commercial one, but would be difference between the nature of Standard Stripper and Belly Stripper. With Belly Stripper, you can pull out specific cards even the cards are mixed in one way and in other way and also in face down and in face up. With standard Stripper, that can't be done.
Hideo Kato |
Sweet M New user Oklahoma 56 Posts |
Hideo,
Could you share some of the effects you are familiar with invlolving a belly stripper deck? Also,I used to live in Japan back in 1968 or so. Went to my first years of school there. That particular father was in the navy. I can still remember what I think is a nursery rhyme, but have never been able to find what it was about. Would you mind if I PM you with the words (don't know if they'll be spelled correctly) for you to attempt to translate?
The Reality Unfolds.......Dedicate And Transform
TRU DAT, Sweet M |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Sorry I don't respond to request in PM. You can post it in non-magical thread. I am not sure if I can help.
Belly Stripper can be effectively used in : Out of This World, Pre-Deck Ability, Triumph, Oil & Water climax, Move a Card, etc. Hideo Kato P.S. After I posted above, I found a use of Marked Belly Stripper Deck. 1. You place a prediction in the beginning. 2. Spectator shuffle the deck thorughly. 3. You cut the devide the deck in the middle and use one half. 4. You guess the cards one by one except the last one. 5. You show the prediction. The last card is the predicted one. (No.122) |
Sweet M New user Oklahoma 56 Posts |
I'll post it there. Thanks.
The Reality Unfolds.......Dedicate And Transform
TRU DAT, Sweet M |
Yehuda Elite user 413 Posts |
The great thing about a stripper deck is you can also shuffle face up into face down and you will be able to strip it out just as easily for a triumph effect.
I came up with a triumph of my own using the stripper deck. Basic overview: Deck is set up in new deck form. Card is selected and replaced the "other way." Shuffle face up into face down (you'll have to experiment to see which way the face up packet must be. Strip out face up and put it back on deck facing same direction. Thanks to the stripper deck the selection will be the only one still face up. After removing the selection you show the whole deck in order. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Yes it has been one of great applications of Stripper Deck. (I wrote it in a book for Tenyo's Stripper Deck released more than 40 years ago). If you want to perform a strong Triumph effect, Stripper Deck will do.
Hideo Kato |
Tiramisu New user 16 Posts |
I read somewhere that there was a DVD tutorial on using a stripper deck for Triumph. Anybody know what DVD it was?
|
pghdude80 New user Pittsburgh 72 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-04-28 12:24, Tiramisu wrote: I've not seen one specifically for Triumph, but I have watched the DVD found at the link below. It's not super, but it will certainly (with practice) give you some good explanations and hints for tricks with stripper deck. Cheers, J |
pghdude80 New user Pittsburgh 72 Posts |
|
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Gaffed & Funky » » Stripper deck question (0 Likes) |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.02 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |