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Ocha Loyal user 225 Posts |
Hi all, I just received Flare in the mail and was wondering if anyone has adapted it to a self igniting match? If so could you PM me with some specifics because I don't see how it could be done. Any ideas????
Ocha
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Ocha Loyal user 225 Posts |
I was playing around with flare looking to come up with ideas and routines when I came up with this gag:
The Magi removes a match from his/her pocket but has no box to strike it on, so the Magi says "I'll have to light this match the hard way" , and holds it right above a flare cigarette and "poof" the cigarette lights the match. Maby it can be used in the context of reversing time, couple it with a Muscle pass coin falling up..... ?? Ocha
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Could the principles in Flare be used to create a self-lighting candle effect? OR is there another self-lighting candle effect?
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Piz Inner circle Chicago, IL 1351 Posts |
I have it, liked it, do not perform it. WHY? To much set up, way to much for my taste, can get a bit messy, inconsistent, etc. You have to get the perfect something to go along with the perfect something in-order for it to work at the precise time, and from my experience, the timing of the reaction is never consistent,ever. For me, it is just not worth it. There are so many other effects out there that will give your audience the same if not better reactions that are of the same value or even cheaper. You will have to order something after receiving this, and you will also have to go from store to store to find the other product needed (I believe I went to at-least 3 different Walgreen's,Dominick's,and a couple others before actually finding the right stuff needed, and I found that at a CVS pharmacy way out of my preferable driving distance). I am not bashing this effect, when it works, it gets great reactions, but the hassle of everything involved as a whole is just not worth it. I say stay clear, just my opinion based on the hassle and inconsistency of the effect as a whole.
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giobbi1 Loyal user 252 Posts |
My only contribution to this discussion is that Vito Lupo has been teaching this in his lectures for years. I wonder if he is credited for it or if someone was doing it before him. Just a thought.
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Barry Daugherty Regular user Indiana 133 Posts |
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On 2007-12-04 12:45, Joshua Lozoff wrote: Sorry not to respond sooner Joshua. I own Flare and actually did use this as a self-lighting candle effect. It took some playing, but it did work. I used it as an opener. I brought the candle out from my case and set it on the table. After looking at the candle and then at the audience, I began to wave my hands over the candle. It began to smoke. With a motion of my hand, it burst into flame. It got gasps. If you get this and would like more info on how I did it, please PM me and I'll let you know. The main drawback here is that it may not be as hands off as some people want a self-lighting candle to be. What I mean is that the candle can't be sitting on a table while the audience arrives. If you're looking for just a self-lighting candle, you may want to check out Rick Haslett's remote control candle, though it's rather expensive and I haven't tried it personally. Hope this helps! Thanks, Barry |
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BrainMagos Special user 554 Posts |
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On 2007-08-11 03:58, GhostSurfer wrote: Where to get both substances in the US? I have tried craft stores, home depot, lowes etc. with no success so far. |
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Phatmeat Special user Silver Spring, Maryland 740 Posts |
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One of the substances I obtained at Home Depot and the other I had special ordered from the pharmacy at Giant. Home Depot and Lowe's are both very big stores and I know it can be difficult finding an item, especially when that item is one not too many people have heard of or know what it's used for. But they carry it, it's just a matter of knowing where to look or finding an employee who can tell you where to find it. It took me a bit of asking around before someone was finally able to help me locate it. I would suggest researching what the product is used for in order to narrow down its specific location in the store. Best of luck to you. |
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MagicBrent Inner circle 2574 Posts |
I got my materials on ebay.
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BrainMagos Special user 554 Posts |
Thank you so much Phatmeat for your input. I was able to locate the first substance at Home Depot and I ordered the second one online.
Now what alternatives did you guys find to using the cigarette box? BM |
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mghia Veteran user Kymystical 387 Posts |
I am disappointed to see some posts on the page before from people that act like experts and yet have know studies to back up any claims they make as to the fumes/vapors or handling.
Kids, even if you think you know what is safe or not, you should not be posting as such since your information is half baked and you do not have the degree, background or education to back them up. There is no such thing as a SAFE chemical. Safer and and safer practices but all chemicals, even salt can be dangerous if not handled with the proper precautions. |
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Powermagic Inner circle 1437 Posts |
This sound like Kymsytical's Daemon's Dirt which also teaches a self lighting candle and includes the best chemical for this. I do not think they ship overseas since this is a regulated chemical (oxidizer).
You do not need a gimmick and video to learn this and I think with chemical it was $25 when I bought it with chemical. Yeah I could get more but it was not like what they sell. Too chunky and did not grind well. It can put out a weird odor when you do that that gave me a headache. The amount they give works better and I got about 25 uses. I think they changed their name which is now at http://www.houseofwonder.com . |
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feifei Regular user United Kingdom 186 Posts |
If you are really into learning magic, I highly suggest you give this a pass and save your hard earn money and buy a magic book or dvd that teaches you more. There are plenty of high quality materials out there for example Dan Harlan's DVD, Aldo Colombini, L&L publishing series or one from BBM.
A week ago a friend of mine came over to my house and brought Alpha Magic's Flare DVD with him, he asked if I wanted to buy it from him half price. I refused. But when he left he left the DVD at my place, and when I called him, he said he didn't want it anymore and ask me to give it to someone else, as he wasn't able to get a refund from the magic dealer. Well, I can tell you that there's no secret in this trick, it's a simple chemical reaction, where you'll find lots of info by googling or looking up youtube. You just need some creative thinking for the handling. I have seen some kid lit a cigarette using this trick on youtube long ago before this dvd was released. It was just a shame that kid didn't release a dvd of it and made some cash. One thing, he seems underage anyway... OK.. So what did I do with the unwanted dvd? I brought it into my company and pass it to some of my chemical engineers, I asked them to review it, do some research and give me a scientific explanation whether it's safe. Heck they went to do some experiment out of company time and resources, they gathered the same materials as suggested in the DVD and did some test. 2 days later they came to me with the results, some tables, percentage of this, percentage of that, residue components etc.. Dang... I said enough with all the scientific reports, just give me the conclusion. Well, the Results is? NO, it is not safe to smoke the cig, even after the chemicals are all burn off, because there will always be residue and by products, and those are not safe at all. Smoking is bad enough, with addition of the chemicals from 'flare', it is very harmful and will speed up the process of killing yourself. And on the more serious side, some people maybe allergic to or very sensitive to PP which may kill them. Have you seen people allergic to banana or peanut butter die from eating it? Here's a few word of caution directly quoted from the DVD: -P_______ P__________ can leave stains. Handle with care -Do NOT touch the chemicals with your bare hands -NEVER store these two chemicals together in the same place Doesn't the above sound dangerous enough? Also, I did not see any scene in the DVD that ever show the performer putting the cig in his/her mouth after 'magically igniting it', they just show it lighted up and then cut to next scene. They themself know how dangerous it is! Here's another point I have picked up quoted directly from their advertising-burb: "All thoughts of trickery slowly ebb away as the flame subsides into a faint, steady glow. Smoke the cigarette yourself or offer it to a mesmerized albeit dumbfounded witness, leaving behind memories of nothing short of a complete, visual miracle." They suggested that you can smoke the cig yourself or offer it to someone. Which is very unwise, if you want to put your own health at risk, that's fine, but offering it to specs that have no idea what they are putting themself into is just irresponsible. If you like this trick and want to perform it, that's fine with me. But instead of smooking it or giving it to someone else to smoke for god's sake. I suggest you move on to a cig manipulation and vanishing routine or do some bar tricks that uses a cig. Lastly, the dvd is just about 20mins, and the chemical you required is not even supplied due to safety reason during shipping. So is it worth it? NO. My personal rating would be 3.5 out of 10, points for suggesting/teaching the handling. So, again, I highly suggest you invest your money wisely and get a DVD which teaches more, there are plenty of dvd that cost the same or even less, and have over 3 hours of teaching materials, and over 10 tricks in a single dvd. That's all. |
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Powermagic Inner circle 1437 Posts |
Thanks for the input. "There is no secret in this trick" This is a mistake to say. The chemicals are the secrets. I see many magicians make this mistake. They assume since it is chemistry that is not a secret. However it IS the secret knowledge of what you need. You do not see magicians do this with card sleights. And yet you can go to Youtube and Google to find out how to perform many sleights. But if one does not know which sleights are used in a particular effect than they do not know what method to seek on the net. And for some reason magicians will scream bloody murder if someone exposes card moves that are in in even kids books, but when it comes to chemical names and combos they have loose lips. So all reading this, please understand that when used for illusion, these chemical reactions are just as special to keep secret and are no less special even if they may be "simple chemical reactions"
SO I say the chemicals Flare uses, while not new, are the secret but I thought the someone said you get a gimmick with this and that is what they were selling- a DVD and gimmick showing their method for using a classic chemical. It matters little that you can find these chemicals for sale on eBay.(I tried and nothing came up last night). If you did not know what they were before watching the DVD then you can not down play that the chemicals are important and have to discount, AFTER LEARNING THE NAMES from watching the DVD, that you could not have searched the net for the supplies. I knew what they were since I have Daemon's Dirt and the reaction was just like the one you get with Flare. If they have some good tips and a new delivery than there is some value. I do not have it so I do not know. No disrespect to the last post. I must be fair in wondering if you had an actual report created by engineers . You forgot to mention how you have relation with chemical engineers. Your company? Anyone can say anything here and I guess one could even post artificial results and squiggles in charts since how would the average magician know if they are not a chemist? One would have to have the submitted report verified by independent parties. I say this to be fair. I sure hope you did have it tested. And to be fair as possible to the OP, without seeing how they had you prep it, if you let the cig burn for a little and knock of the ash then you probably would not have any bit of the chemical and could take a puff. That is if you are using it in the traditional way. I would not however do so if the p_____t is still part of it. While you support the thoughts of others, that the original post was based on opinion, lack of facts and a lack of education, we have no proof of your chemical analysis. Maybe you want to PM it to those in the know for verification. Note the DVD info you quoted was safety for other reasons. The OP was arguing to the hilt that the ciggie was safe to smoke. Yeah the chemical does stain and why I would wear gloves. I do not know what is absorbing into my dermis. Sure it may not do anything but stain but why tell people to do this when that is not a safe lab practice? And sure you want to keep the oxidizers from combining with the catalyst. The main danger is the fire hazard and why it has DOT regulations to ship when in the CORRECT form. This all aside, you saw the DVD, is the gimmick anything special? One time Tannen's was selling a silk fountain with an "all new release method" I will spill the beans- it was a rubber band! Yeah, I guess that was new since most use a Velcro band but come on.... So the value would be not in the physical chemicals but if the DVD gave more knowledge on how to get them to work effectively and if the delivery gimmick make it easier to use. Any input on that after seeing the DVD since I think that is what they are really selling. |
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feifei Regular user United Kingdom 186 Posts |
Ah. Just realised, you do have a point about the 'secret and no secret' statement. Many magic tricks are based on physics and chemistry like anti-gravity water or sands of the dessert etc, if you don't know the secret it does feel magical. True indeed.
Ok. Just to assure you, my staff really did go and do the experiment, but I really don't care about the scientific report, all I wanted to find out and know is the conclusion about whether it is safe or not, which they have found out and told me. It was just something I wanted to mention, but whether people believe me or not is up to themself, as I have no intention in revealing where or what company I work for. I already expected someone would come asking for verification. Please just disregard what I said if you have no interest or do not believe in it. But if you want to do the trick you have all the freedom to do so, but please be responsible and do not offer the smoke to someone to smoke! And if I didn't have the report and didn't understand about the health risk was. I would still say the same at the end which is that: The dvd is just about 20mins, and the chemical you required is not even supplied due to safety reason during shipping. So is it worth it? NO. My personal rating would be 3.5 out of 10, points for suggesting/teaching the handling. If you are interested in doing similar trick, do some research of your own and you'll probably find out your own method and handling. I highly suggest you invest your money wisely and get a DVD which teaches more, there are plenty of dvd that cost the same or even less, and have over 3 hours of teaching materials, and over 10 tricks in a single dvd. |
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lyoma New user 73 Posts |
I have just ordered Flare. I would like to use it to ignite flash paper in a CLOSED transparent box. To do that, I need sufficiant time delay, say 20 seconds or even more if possible, between mixing moment of the 2 chemicals and ignition. Is it possible to delay the chemical reaction, for example, by putting other substance?
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