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chris mcbrien Inner circle Chicago 1235 Posts 
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Thanks Tony for posting that! That's one of my favorite Rowan bits!
I personally believe Jesus, who loved to laugh, is rolling on the floor laughing when he hears that bit! I remember meeting Penn at a roast in Chicago for Jay Marshall (no, I'm not name-dropping, just giving context..ok, I AM name-dropping!) and he told me he loves to meet fellow entertainers...and HATES magicians!!!! One of those moments I'll always remember and smile while doing so... We got along famously! ;) |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts
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Please let me know if this is Barry and Stuart:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ViVPctybQc8 Hmmmmmm... whoever it is, it looks like a rip-off of Andre' Kole's "Headmover" to me! Certainly is a "dirty trick"! Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 15:09, Terry Holley wrote: Yes another fine Barry and Stuart clip. Don't know if it's a rip[ off of Mr. Kole's Headmover or an authorized version. I guess you'd have to ask Mr. Kole about that.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2007-07-21 12:08, ChristopherM wrote: I think your overlooking the fact that P&T started at the bottom as well and took years of hard and dedicated work to get to the level they are at today. B&S are just starting out and doing relatively well. Not everybody gets their own Television specials so early in their career. They are also all over You Tube which means they have a pretty dedicated fan base. Also the chat about them on TalkMagic.uk is about as mixed as it is for Blaine and Angel. Some people get it and like them while others don't. You obviously fall into the second category which is perfectly fine. No reason to like everything you see. but just because you don't like them is no reason to disparage their talents, drive or creativity. I personally can't stand to watch Cris Angel's show (so I don't) but I can see that he has talent, it's just not to my taste. I however don't go around talking rubbish about him or his performances. Seems to me to be rather unchristian to behave in such a manner.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 15:09, Terry Holley wrote: Yes a rip-off - made by quality props of england. To use it speaks volumes of the excellence/quality of Barry&Stuart... What a shame! They doubtless know that it was performed from DC and is an idea from Kole. Permission given to David Copperfield, Tim Kole and Kirby Van Birch Built by Magiccraft-David Mendoza |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 17:32, JoyJoy wrote: Perhaps they don't know it was an unauthorized copy. They wouldn't be the first to assume that a builder has gotten permission to constrict a certain prop, and they certainly won't be the last. It also fails to speak volumes of their excellencequality. It speaks of their ethics (if in fact they knew their prop was unauthorized) but not their skill and execution. Quote:
Yeah, it's not like everyone on this list is lily white when it comes to getting the proper permission before using effects in their programs. Not saying everyone on this list has done so but one name certainly stands out from the rest. For a group that's suppose to turn the other cheek some of you are certainly very quick to judge.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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JoyJoy Special user Germany 514 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 19:30, Payne wrote: lol - nice joke... you don´t wanna tell me, that they are newbies... too funny =) Quote:
On 2007-08-23 19:30, Payne wrote: 1. One guy is not the whole group... 2. Using rip-offs is not ethical - so no judgement here - facts. Or didn´t they use a rip-off? |
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MagicMattMan Special user Tampa, FL 741 Posts
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I agree JoyJoy....newbs, lol.
The only credit I give them is at least they got us to talk about them.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice." -Joseph Dunninger
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 19:43, JoyJoy wrote: Have no idea if they used a rip off or not. I'm not an illusion guy so I don't know who has the rights to which illusions. Haven't seen Copperfield perform in decades so I don't know what's in or has been in his show over the years. I've never seen Mr Kole perform either and I really have no idea what he has or has not invented apart from the trick with all the knives that got exposed on one of the Masked Magician shows. If I was to buy an illusion I'd really have no idea if it was an authorized version or not simply because I don't follow that branch of the art that much because I find illusions pretty boring. I just have to take your word for it that Barry and Stuart knowingly used a rip off illusion. Do you have any proof that they knew they were using a rip off? Perhaps they simply borrowed or were supplied the illusion by the production company and didn't know where it came from. I admit I'm willing to cut them a little slack as I'm a big fan of their work. If they were continually using knock offs or stealing material it would be a different matter but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on a one time use of a supposed knock off.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts
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On 2007-08-23 15:56, Payne wrote: I talked to Andre' tonight and he told me that Barry and Stuart were not authorized to use Headmover and the company that produced the effect was not authorized to do so. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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