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Magic74Josh Regular user Pennsylvania 101 Posts |
Several of my magician "buddies" and I have come up with an awesome routine and ending for Red Hot Mama/Chicago Opener, and I was wondering if I could get some of your opinions on a small part about marketing it. I am not trying to sell the Red Hot Mama, Chicago Opener effect, but rather the routine and bang ending, for which you need two gimmicks. How do I do this without people becoming mad at me for selling the original routine? I would have to explain the original routine for the ending to make sense, ya know?
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Burt Yaroch Inner circle Dallas,TX 1097 Posts |
Just my thoughts Josh...
I don't know that this piece of magic is, by itself, very marketable. Hang on to it and include it in your first book or lecture notes.
Yakworld.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
If Red Hot Mama was a marketed item and it was still on the market, you could sell your gimmick with the explanation of the part for which the gimmick used. You would also need to mention how your customer could obtain the original trick.
But the trick is a published one in a book and the book is a very difficult one to obtain. The situation gets complicated. I think it is OK to publish your trick with explanation of a necessary part if the original method is in a book or magazine. Whit Haydn explained an almost original handling with his presentation in his Chicago Surprise and that caused no problem. If this is not allowed, we creators find serious hindrance in publishing our creations. But the overall key point is whether your variation is good or no good. If your variation is published in a book or magzine and it is no good, readers just forget it. But if you sell it as a marketed item and it is no good, the puchaser will never forget your name. Hideo Kato |
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
You can describe the effect and method of Red Hot Mama/Chicago Opener in your instructions. The effect and its origins are well-known and it is considered a seminal card trick. Just be sure to list the correct credits.
Al Leech originated the effect and Jim Ryan and Frank Everhart popularized the trick in the Chicago area. Frank Garcia was the first to publish it, giving it the name Chicago Opener. I, for one, would be interested in hearing about your new ending. If the ending is truly an improvement, and original, it may be worth marketing. Especially if it requires certain original gimmicks. But Hideo Kato makes a great deal of sense in his post and you should take what he says very seriously. |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
I tend to agree with Hideo and Whit.
There are many variations on this classic in print. Two of my favourites are one that appeared in "Theatrical Close Up" and one in some Joe Safuto lecture notes years ago. As for the original being difficult to track down, I believe Randy Wakeman does it on a Chicago Bar Magic videotape he put out the other year. Why would people pay money for something they already perform and get a great response to? If the gaffs are readily available/easy to make, submitting it for print somewhere would probably be the better option. Paul. |
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