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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Curtis,
I have been practicing New York Spellbound with a silver dollar size copper Chinese Coin with a hole and a Morgan Silver/Brass coin (Todd Lassen made that gaff for me). Doing the circular change repeatedly without the coins talking is much harder but I'm getting better at it. I wonder if you have used dollar sized coins for that effect. Also, what effects, that you would normally do with copper-silver half dollars, might be practical with silver dollar coins? |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Count,
I have been thinking of having a dollar sized c/s made, too. My problem was the copper coin. Is it something recognizeable? Did Todd find a real coin from somewhere? I may have to do this. As I stated elsewhere, I use dollar sized coins for the visual material, and halves for any effect where the spectators have to hold the coin. Here in Hawaii, there are a lot of people with smaller hands. Also, there seem to be kids everywhere. So I need the smaller coins to be sure the coin(s) go into their hands completely and withou mishap. That being said, there are at least three routines, okay four, that I do that require a c/s and are purely visual. I would use my hypothetical dollar sized c/s for: Presto Chango Coercive Purse My Hopping Half NY Spellbound (although I'd have to reconsider the backclip work here) And, given this, I assume there will be others. So yeah, okay, another trip to Todd's. Anybody want to come? Obviously, without the coin I can't say I've done NYS with dolar sized, but I have done the move. The larger coins require a slightly larger circular motion, to ensure that they don't touch. But there's plenty of control from your left fingertips. It's a well constructed move, so I don't think it will present a problem for long. Perhaps Jonathan will chime in here, it's his move.
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Geoff Latta Regular user New York 158 Posts |
Hi Curtis,
This thread is piquing my curiosity (am I allowed to say that in the 21st Century?) Anyway, I use halves for somethings and dollars for others, but while I can do almost every move I do with halves with dollars as well, there are some that I can't. There simply isn't enough space in the hand. May hands aren't huge, but they're not small either. Aside from the clearance issues (some of which I've been able to work around) there are also angle issues; i.e.: I can do some of the backclip work with dollars, but everyone has to be about a foot and a half closer if I want to be sure I'm safe. How do you think about these problems? Pull them closer? Switch techniques? Use halves? Some combination of these? Also curious about the "move" you mention in this, a circular action. I've seen very few SB moves that could be described that way. Published one myself in Pallbearer's Review, Close Up Folio No. 6, 1976. Best, Geoff
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Curtis,
The gaff Todd made for me is a Morgan on one side and a shiny brass (I tell them its gold) coin with a dragon on the other side. These were blanks that Todd had laying around that I believe he got from Al Schneider. I had him add a center "hole" (that obviously doesn't go through) to make it look more like a Chinese coin. The back side of the matching normal coin has Chinese characters and the same hole in the center. I think Todd has a few of these blanks left. He also had an African dollar size copper Coin with a boat on it and Arabic lettering. As far as NY Spellbound, the large coins look great. I still get one occasionally talking and my hand tends to cramp a bit but I think in time it will work fine. Back clipping these coins is difficult and angly. I have been using some of my own moves in the final sequence. They consist of a series of change over palms from a heel grip which I came up with a while back for use in some other routines. So when performing this I use the Morgan/Brass coin and a dollar size copper Chinese coin with a hole. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Hi Folks,
About the 'circular spell' move... It does seem to require a slightly larger vertical componant of motion to get the coin from the second finger second joint contact down to the edge of the pinkie. The greater mass and diameter of the coin almost compensates, though my hands, when wet, have to move a bit further. The arm motion is pretty much like the piston to wheel linkage on an old steam train with the coin transfer happening on the out -> up side of the stroke on the way to the visible coin at the other hand's fingertips. I believe the move is in Apocalypse. The idea was to find a move that minimized finger motion and allowed for a quick repeat. Did David Roth ever release his engineering feat of a repeat spellbound change? Been trying to play with silver dollars for practice. It does seem much harder to hide four silver dollars in edge grip. Back when, folks did try three inch coins too. Funny seeing a popup move with those.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Jon,
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