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obuch
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Search is down so I don't know if there was topic like this, I search some pages but didn't find anything.

could you tell what are cheats for using in real game? not show of.

I have expert at the card table, ortiz book,weapons ofthe... and some others and I'm cheationg already but could you tell me sleights that can be used in real games?
I know:
1. peeking.
2. culling and stacking deck (thats what I do almoust evedry time I have deck in my hands when I'm playing)
3.palming cards/hand mucking.
4.deck swith.
5. false deals.


but pretty much I use only peeking, culling and stacking (often double duke) sometimes but very rarly palming cards for hand muck. what else do you know?
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In my own experience, which I admit isn't very thorough nor exhaustive, and according to most of the accounts I have read from those far more knowledgeable than I, collusion and marked cards are perhaps the two most prevalent forms of cheating when it comes to cards.
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They will use anything it is about the application as MR Steve Forte will tell you. Look up his interview with Dave Malek.
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I don't know much but I guess whatever will get the money, also try not to cheat everytime you get the deck in your hand, I did that at a game with some classmates and now I can't find a game where I'm not suspected of cheating.
I use culling, bottom dealing and stacking most of the time too.
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On 2008-01-12 14:56, obuch wrote:
Search is down so I don't know if there was topic like this, I search some pages but didn't find anything.

could you tell what are cheats for using in real game? not show of.

I have expert at the card table, ortiz book,weapons ofthe... and some others and I'm cheationg already but could you tell me sleights that can be used in real games?
I know:
1. peeking.
2. culling and stacking deck (thats what I do almoust evedry time I have deck in my hands when I'm playing)
3.palming cards/hand mucking.
4.deck swith.
5. false deals.


but pretty much I use only peeking, culling and stacking (often double duke) sometimes but very rarly palming cards for hand muck. what else do you know?


If you can do all that in a game, you're fine.
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obuch
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Well thanks but maybe you know any cheats that you could do when someone other than you have deck? but with no palming cards.
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Steal chips during restroom break.
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Reading back through this forum will give you an answer to EVERY question you've asked so far, so that would be a good place for YOU to start.

Asking a question in this particular forum doesn't obligate others to answer, and what folks here tend to look for is a fellow who has made some serious efforts to educate himself on his own time, and using his own resources.

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Peeking/Flashig and seconds are a deadly combination even in the Casino Environment
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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Punch or Juice work need to be in your arsenal too
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Furniture, I'm not sure if you made that post tongue in cheek or not, or if you're suggesting he look into that form of cheating.

For the sake of this post, however, I will take it at face value and say "NO" he doesn't "need" juice or blisters. If he pursues it fine, but he certainly doesn't need it.
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Don't forget Hold Outs... Cant cheat without holdouts... Smile
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Always use your holdout in a casino Smile but especially in private games Smile

Basically, make it the center of your "cheating arsenal" Smile
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Actually, a machine worked properly is one of the most devastating moves around, and one of the very few that qualifies as being truly "invisible."
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A paper player is by far one of the most devasting type of cheats.

He knows what he has on his own hands, and he knows what all of you have. And he doesn't even have to do much in order to kick the cooler with marked cards in. In private games, he is just the one bringing the cards - and in bigger games, any good deck switch (or marking during play) is enough to win the game in the long run....

But lets be honest here... it doesn't matter how good you are at sleight of hand, if you are not capable of playing the right act.. You HAVE to blend in - in every way.
obuch
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Ok lets assume that situation -

4 players - me my partner and 2 guys which plays fair.
we play texas holdem.
if I and my partner have shiners and we have code to contact ourselfs sitting at the table.
so in 2 of 4 deals we both know card of all players.
can we win the game and our only cheat will be peeking cards while dealing?
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I don't really believe that marked cards are so practical. They're maybe a great advantage in a game such as BlackJack, but in a game like Hold'em, depending of the marks, you'll need a good sight to correctly guess your opponent's cards. Or unless you use some kind of invisible ink with some special glasses.
But anyway, a marked deck is an evidence, so if you're the one who brings the cards and someone happens to notice the marks, you'll have a tough time trying to justify this. Same for any kind of holding out moves if you're caught with a card palmed in your hand or your sleeve.
In my opinion cold decking is a great move, but a risky one, you'd be using it as a killer move, to get the money and never be back again, but if you play a regular game, all you need is an edge which would get you the money over the long run. Therefore, any kind of peeking, second dealing, location play and stacking, in addition to be evidence proof, is all what you need to have an edge. Just my opinion.
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