|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3 | ||||||||||
magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
I disagree wholeheartedly. It is nothing like using inferior sleight of hand- something Vernon wouldn't have done. He strived for excellence. For simplicity. For Directness. He chipped and shaped and honed. Eliminate things that weren't necessary. Vernon's decisions were nothing like using inferior sleight of hand. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Randomness is the very strength of the Vernon Routine. The Aces are inserted haphazardly at different spots in each packet while engaging. If this is a studied action then it is not being done correctly. It takes a lot of practice but once mastered it is extremely deceptive. Vernon knew it, Ricky Jay knew it, Harry Lorayne knows it. The reason nobody has ever come up with a possible solution is because the method is so *** devious. As I said, I love the Ortiz/Nash routine and I respect ASW's opinions on this . Absolutely nothing wrong with performing any of them. All wonderful. |
|||||||||
ShaunR New user 52 Posts |
You completely took what I said about using inferior sleight of hand and not having anyone comment on it out of context, but I don't disagree with your assessment of the original. My point was, you're saying people don't have a clue how it's done. My point is, have you ever actually asked. That's all.
|
|||||||||
magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 12, 2019, ShaunR wrote: So you think maybe a spectator will say, "sure I know how it's done, you pretended to put the Aces in casually but really you were subtracting the aces position from 12 and then applying that difference to the positioning of the ace in the next packet so even though all the packets have a different number of cards the aces are actually ending up 12 cards apart in the deck which is a perfect scenario since after running six cards to the bottom you are set for two perfect faros to bring all four aces to the top- pass the pretzels" |
|||||||||
ShaunR New user 52 Posts |
You're again misrepresenting what I said. Overall, I think it's hard to argue that the spectator losing the aces in the deck isn't stronger than if you did it. You're showing it's hard to make that argument by... well... being unable to make any kind of argument. ASW summed it up quite well, so I'm happy to leave it at "but the belief that the original is superior is not intellectually sustainable".
|
|||||||||
magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 13, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Evolved doesn't mean better. Albert Einstein has been dead for a while too. So has Charles Darwin, and Jimi Hendrix, and Shakespeare, and Dickens, and Ghandi, and Cardini. Long dead guys rock! (So do their 60 year old books) their works are about as intellectually sustainable as it gets. |
|||||||||
Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 13, 2019, magicfish wrote: I'm talking about Vernon's Aces, not relativity or split fans. We should strive for the most impossible-seeming magic at our disposal. Otherwise, what's the point? |
|||||||||
Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 13, 2019, magicfish wrote: Agreed! Quote:
Heck, some of them even pay 5 bucks to ask Alexander to find references. That's... That's not how a research database works. |
|||||||||
magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
Quote:
On Jan 13, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Agreed. That's why I perform Vernon's original from Close-up Card Magic |
|||||||||
ShaunR New user 52 Posts |
"It'll be lost on most people why the original is illogical" - Darwin Ortiz
|
|||||||||
Brad Jeffers Veteran user 376 Posts |
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, FalseDeal wrote: What if you eliminate the counting and subtracting and just know where the card is to be inserted in each pack? Would you then agree that that would be the "superior" method. That's the way this guy does it. Now if you're doing it totally impromptu you will need to do the counting and subtracting, but since these are done in your head and you have rehearsed it many times, it will look exactly the same as it did for Ricky Jay. So now I am sure I have convinced you that the Vernon way is the best way! Pass the Pretzels! Vernon's Aces is a great impromptu trick, but the prepared versions allow for some nice extras, such as with this beautifully performed rendition from Sara Rodriguez. |
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » Vernon's Aces (20 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3 |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.02 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |