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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
It should be noted that Nicholas Johnson isn't your run of the mill kids show magician, he is rather elevated above that in Australia.
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DJBrenton Regular user Midlands, England 129 Posts |
Hey, we're friends. You can call me plain old DJ.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2008-02-05 14:48, Al Angello wrote: Or, the beer was outside. J |
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MoonRazor Special user 843 Posts |
Good point John ....... mom and all her friends probably had something to do with it, hey who knows maybe one of them left a bad taste in dads mouth too.
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lou2 New user 46 Posts |
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To summarise. But you'll get the most work by being good and marketing yourself well too. Hi, The question is do you want "most work" I would prefer to be good get well paid for it and not have to do too much lou |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Well I do think that is most everyone's goal or dream. However, there is a reason why it is called "Show Business". No matter how you cut it, you still have to work it to make it work for you. If you want success, then you are not going to obtain it by sitting on your butt and waiting for the doorbell to ring or hoping you win the lottery. If you want success, you have to take action to seek it.
Yes, you can be successful with a bad show. It happens all the time. However, if that show remains bad and if you do not work to improve it and yourself, no amount of marketing is ever going to make you more successful. Eventually, it will catch up to you. No one wants to refer a bad show to a friend. If you are not trying to create a great show and seeking to improve your show all the time, then why are you even in the business. It is time to take a reality check and see if doing magic for money is even the right choice for you. If you are getting paid even 1 dollar for the magic that you do.. well then you are a professional and you need to act like one. To me it is never good enough to settle for an average show. I seek to deliver a GREAT experience every time out. If I don't, then I have failed and I need to work on fixing the problems. A great show will get you word of mouth and will get referrals coming your way. That is a truth. However, to get to that point, you still need to market yourself. A great show does nothing if your prospects have no clue who you are or if you even exist. I have seen people create a show and want to get started in magic and then complain that they are not getting business. I ask them what are you doing to get people to know who you are? Their response, "Well I have business cards." Well having business cards is fine but are you USING them. I usually get a response back of, "Yeah, I have 500 of them I got 3 years ago." Well reality check. If you have 500 business cards and you still have them after 3 years.. then you are doing it WRONG! The cards do not do you any good sitting in the box. You need to have a great show and want to always strive to create and maintain a great experience every time out. You then need to do what YOU feel you need to do in the way of marketing to ensure your own success. If you have gotten to a point where all you need is the referrals coming in, then that is super. However, if you feel you are not getting the work you want, then you need to get up and market yourself moe effectively to seek it. My 2 cents worth. Kyle
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SeanD13 Loyal user Bristol, RI 263 Posts |
I know I may be coming in a little late on this, but I have to ask this.
Q: If you are doing something that you are not giving your best. Then you really do not have your heart into what you are doing. Then why would you do anything that you do not have your heart into? Giving only a oh hum act is like covering a spilled drink with a bunch of newspapers. You may of blocked it from view, but you are only making a bigger mess for someone other then you to clean up. Sean |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Sean!. Exactly my friend. That is how I feel as well (as sated above). If you are not going out there and seeking to give the best show and experience you can, then maybe you need to stop receiving money for what you are doing.
Kyle
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DJBrenton Regular user Midlands, England 129 Posts |
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On 2008-02-07 10:06, lou2 wrote: I didn't become an entertainer to have an easy life with a moderate income. Whatever I do, I try to do well and if it's paid, to earn as much as I can. Between children's shows, restaurants and nightclubs, I used to work around 35 hours a week plus travelling. That sort of schedule might not be for everyone, but I was in this for a living not as a paid hobby. Each to their own. |
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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
I read a strange piece of offlish today; "alterpreuner". I think that's what I am. I know I'm never going to be a millionaire doing this but getting a decent salary from doing something I love is much more important to me than making a tonne of money and not enjoying my work.
I have to join in with Nick and Stephen and add my own emphatic yeses to the 2 questions they quoted. Repeat bookings for me often come from children asking for "Magic George" at their party not just asking for a magician. Many folks now have video clips on their sites which means your actual performance is now a marketing tool so the good show=good business no longer only applies solely to rebookings and word-of-mouth. George |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
And clever editing cutting from performance to audience reactions and never showing a complete performance piece can make a poor to mediocre show look killer!
You don't have to have a good show to look good on screen!
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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lou2 New user 46 Posts |
I didn't become an entertainer to have an easy life with a moderate income. Whatever I do, I try to do well and if it's paid, to earn as much as I can. Between children's shows, restaurants and nightclubs, I used to work around 35 hours a week plus travelling. That sort of schedule might not be for everyone, but I was in this for a living not as a paid hobby. Each to their own.
Hi, Its not a paid hobby for me either! I make a nice living but choose not to work too hard lou |
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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
Harry, that's certainly true to an extent, I've gone to many a crappy film due to a snappy trailer. Although, it's probably easier to make a good promo if you don't have to polish any poo.
However, my point was that having a great show you believe in is an asset on more levels than just WOM marketing and recommendations. I'm a terrible business man and marketeer but when I do make an effort it's certainly easier to sell something I believe in and am proud of. Another point is that negative word of mouth spreads just as fast (if not faster) than positive WOM.From clients, I hear more about other entertainers who were bad rather than good. George |
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SeanD13 Loyal user Bristol, RI 263 Posts |
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Hi, I only wonder how many people you have truned off of Magic with your not to work hard work ethics? Sean |
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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
Depends what you mean by hard work.
You could say some might be turned off magic by someone who views their show as hard work. Yes, put lots of effort in but on stage I don't work hard, I play hard. George |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
George brings up a good point. Perhaps part of the problem or potential problem is defining each person's use of the term "hard work" and how it applies to their magic business.
Should my show look like it is hard work? No, not really. I should look like I am in control and having fun and enjoying the experience I create. Should my clients think my process and working with me is hard? No again. If I am customer focused, then they should see me as a person who has everything under control for them. I am to take the hard work AWAY from them and by doing so I solve problems for my clients. Now is the show and organizing it and creating the show hard work? Of course it is. If I am a creative thinker of magic, and if I want my show to be the best it can be for my audiences, I need to put the hard work into it. Is building up your show and your magic business hard work? yes it is hard work. if it wasn't, then everyone would be doing it. Now I must add somethig here. I am referring to building up your business from scratch and getting it to be exactly where you want it to be and acheiving tha level of success for yourself. Getting people to know who you are intially and establishing your markets is hard work. It takes effort on your part to get up off your butt and make it happen and create the processes to get them working for you. Is maintaining your business hard work? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Once you get the systems in place working for you and have and present a great show, then word of mouth and referrals start working in your favor. Maybe your website is also working for you and your agencies are using you. All this helps you to not have to work as hard as you once did. But the reason here is because you put in the hard work from the start. So what I am saying is the term "hard work" really applies to a vastly huge amount of things. We as entertainers need to understand that each of us are at different stages with our magic and magic business. Hard work can mean so many different things but it is really needs only apply directly to yourself, where you are with your magic and where you want to go with it. Kyle
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lou2 New user 46 Posts |
I only wonder how many people you have truned off of Magic with your not to work hard work ethics?
Sean Hi, Actually I think I do a better show by not doing too many, I price so I do not have to rush from show to show. I can put all of my effort and hard work into the ones I choose to do remaining much fresher and focused than some one who is rushing around doing all the shows they can fit in lou |
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