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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
OK, so I'm in the process of learning Bill Malone's Resetting Reset from volume 4 of his On The Loose DVD, when I decide to compare the methods to the effect it was based on - Paul Harris' Re-set. I only have volume 1 of The Art of Astonishment, but I lucked out - there it is!
Wait a minute. The effect is similar, but am I correct - that Bill Malone's methods have NOTHING to do with those used by Paul Harris? If you answer, please do NOT give specifics as these are both trademarked by Malone and Harris, respectively. I just want to know, am I reading the book description of Re-set correctly? It seems it is really quite a different effect from Resetting Reset - both in method, and, therefore, in how the effect is presented to the audience. I think the overall idea of changing one foursome of cards to another and back again is the same, but RR is really quite a different trick from Re-set. Which brings me to my other question - does anyone have a preference for Resetting Reset as opposed to Re-set? Assuming anyone has gone to the trouble to compare the two, as I am in the process of doing. BTW, what I love about watching Bill Malone's explanations on his DVDs is how precise his finger and hand placements are. Every card is registered perfectly against every other card, with perfect alignment. I can see how the success of his effects depends on that.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Alright, I'm going to keep this thread alive, by personally resuscitating it, and thereby talking to myself.
There actually is one or two threads on different versions of Re-set, but not specifically comparing Bill Malone's to Paul Harris' - mostly comparing Paul Harris' to other versions. And, yes, the 2 effects are quite different in method. For what it's worth (very little), I think I prefer Malone's version. Having said that, I can see a problem with the trick, which was commented in on the thread - the next to last revelation - ie, the "reset" of 4 cards back to the original 4 cards seems to be the climax, and the "kicker" does not seem much of a kicker. I'm not sure what the answer is. In OTL, Malone performs this as a rapid fire 90 second effect - I think that is about right. It helps deal with the weak kicker (which actually showed up in audience reaction on the L&L tape, funny, given L&L's goofy audiences). Saw too many really BAD versions of Malone's RR on YouTube - all done at no more than half the speed of Malone's, and with too many of the sleights showing. I bet the key is fast speed without flashing the sleights. Right now, I think Malone's Resetting Reset is a good effect, if done literally up to speed, and precise sleights. It's fun to practice the rapid combination of different sleights. I probably will work on Bill Malone's version for a while, before trying out Paul Harris.' The strength of the effect lies in the stacatto barrage of changes of 4 aces to kings and back again. Anyone else care to comment? Otherwise, I'll just keep on talking to myself (I'm a little crazy anyway
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
I prefer Earl Nelson's handling: Reset Reset. There is definitely a licker...the sudden reversion of the four cards just shown to their original state.
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El Mystico Special user 573 Posts |
Completely disagree with the "do it fast" philosophy. On the other hand, if you do it poorly so the sleights show, that's a problem, fast or slow!
I'm a fan of the second handling in the Earl Nelson book. Plus - James Swain has a geat presentational ploy which makes the whole thing seem more impossible, and makes the final showing of the four last cards more interesting... |
kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
I greatly appreciate the replies, gentlemen. I will definitely check out the Nelson and Swain versions. (I've been looking for an "excuse" to get Earl Nelson's book
I've got the Reset Reset method down pretty well, so now I'm looking to polish it, perhaps by going to a different version. I'm an amateur magish, and look forward to going over Reset with my teacher. What I love about the lessons are, whenever I mention ANY card trick, he always has comments like yours, and knows all the methods. So, I may drift over to the Nelson version. We'll see. Glenn and EM - what are your experiences with audience reactions to this effect? Also, when do you use it? I'm thinking of using it as a follow up to Cross by Darwin Ortiz - at the end of which, there are 4 aces and 4 kings revealed. Also, the "do it fast" approach may reflect Bill Malone's persona rather than be intrinsic to the effect itself - so thanks for the comment, EM.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Take a look at magician Bebel's handling. You may like that one.
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
If the situation is right, where the audience can clearly see the magical changes, they are amazed at the Reset Reset routine. It is one of the greatest sleigh-of-hand card routines, especially because the eight cards can be clearly shown and even examined.
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bouche Regular user 146 Posts |
I really like Malone's RR but when I first saw it I felt I missed out on half of the magic because of the quick pace. I prefer a slower steady pace.
The first phase they all change at once, the second phase can be explained by 'doing it slower, one at a time. finale: I like the through the fist flourish to add drama to 'reset' of all the cards as per original. I also prefer the drop switch to sort out the cards instead of a cop like in Malone's. I found with a cop I was in a suspicious hurry to clean up. |
BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
I also like Earl Nelson's routine, but you might learn a thing or two by taking a look at some of the routines that preceded it. Perhaps you might want to take a look at two of Brother John Hammon's routines: Underground Transposition and The Axes and the Jacks. Hammon's routines had a strong influence on effects like Reset.
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Thanks, bouche and Barry. Yes, my teacher told me the same thing about Brother John's routines. Are they in any books, or only on video?
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
You might want to look at The Secrets of Brother John Hammon by Richard Kaufman. As luck would have it, it's back in print. It's well worth your serious study.
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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Magic Phenom New user Oakland, Cali 17 Posts |
Gregory Wilson has a good reset routine that can be found on Card Stunts and Im pretty sure a few other of his DVDs
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Thanks, MP! Thanks, Barry! I will definitely be checking out Richard Kaufman's book and I will be looking at the DVD that has Gregory Wilson's rest routine (called Hooked Reset, I believe). I had my lesson last night, and it was very interesting. I got some excellent pointers on specifics of Bill Malone's handling, which I am going to polish. One point that was made was that Bill Malone's handling requires one to sit down, whereas other handlings allow one to stand (although in front of a table). What I like about Reset is that it seems to me to be powerful, only if presentation is very well coordinated with technique - both have to be at a high level.
Michael Miller
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
You may even want to take a look at Jack Parker's "Bare Naked Ladies" from "52 Memories". You can either look at it as a quick packet transposition and back again or a seven card reverse assembly.
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
Max Maven's Counter Revolution, published a year before before Re-Set, is not exactly the same effect but very similar. It can be found in his book Focus (written under his real name, Phil Goldstein).
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thumbslinger Elite user This is a good number: 458 Posts |
Just wanted to chime in and say have a look at Nick Trost's handling. I much prefer his ideas in this particular effect to Paul's simply because the hands never contort, the movements all seem fairly 'normal' and the handling lends itself well to the pace of something like Jazz Aces.
It can be found in The Magic of Nick Trost (good luck finding that if you don't already have it.. or about $130-50!
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Thanks, thumbslinger. I'll keep an eye out for it! And, Barry, I recently obtained Secrets of Bro. John Hammon, and am greatly enjoying it. I got sidetracked with "Watch Me Like a Hawk" - another great packet routine! But I'll look at the routines you mentioned.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Zap Regular user 181 Posts |
The Magic of Nick Trost is easy to find now that it's been reprinted. Get it before it goes out of print again!
His handling is easier than the original Paul Harris routine, keeping the best part (the instant change back to the Aces), but losing the visual one by one changes in Paul's handling. I don't like the Trost ending, which, while ending clean, is VERY anti-climatic. |
Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I like greg wilsons handling for the most part. I found that most of the parts are interchangeable with the paul Harris handling. so I tend to mix both using greg's presentation and excellent clean up procedure
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blackdeck New user Baltimore, MD 85 Posts |
I use Malone's and I get a strong reaction
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