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mark1991 Veteran user Boston, Lincolnshire, England 311 Posts |
Hi there,
I am looking at making my first pouch for the cups and balls routine I am currently learning. I can think of what the pouch should kinda be like, but I wandered if anybody has some free designs or patterns I could look at? Any information would be greatly useful! Many thanks Mark
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MagiCol Special user Dargaville, New Zealand 929 Posts |
Hi, Mark. I reckon if you haven't already done it, do a Google search under the wording "Cups and Balls" and see where that gets you as far a photos goes. Also Youtube under Cups and Balls and see what is being used. The pouches fit into two categories - one group looks like a carpenter's apron, being very wide. The others are like bum bags - fanny bags is the name in USA. The bag needs to look proportionatly suitable on your body when worn. The pockets needs to hang open somewhat so your hand can readily drop in them to a little deeper than wrist height to get out the cups and the balls and 2nd load. Of course the bag/pouch needs to hold all the contents and that will depend on the size of your cups. Take your cups and 2nd load with you when you go looking, because if the bag/pouch can't hold all this well of course it's no use. For the bum-bag type I've used a couple of women's black shoulder bags as starters as I am in the early days of mastering cups and balls. I got the shoulder bags at 2nd hand shops at a very low price. The bags have several dividers sewn in them, from top to bottom, making deep pocket. And they have a closing flap, not zip-top. The shoulder strap may be able to be put around your waist to make a bum bag to be placed at the front of you, or the fastening points may need to be shifted. When being used the top flap of the shoulderbag is opened right back and tucked down between the bag and your waist. My nicest adapted shoulder bag is about 10 inches across the front, 6 inches deep, and a whopping 5 inches thick. I would be dubious about buying any bag/pouch unless you have tried it out for fit beforehand, or it is guaranteed to be returnable if it doesn't suit you personally. What suits you is an indiviual choice, so happy looking and finding. Colin.
The presentation makes the magic.
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Kevin Mc Lean New user Kevin Mc Lean 57 Posts |
Hi Mark,
I made my own pouch, but just for general magic and have used it for about seven years now (it was made of scrap leather and is still going strong) -so I'm not sure if what I will say is applicable other than generally. I tend to carry coins,a giant coin, tt, silks, wand, cards, sponge and manipulation balls, and at times either rope and scissors or a small set of rings in it. It's 'organised' and isn't that big (about a foot deep, ten inches across, and three inches in width. I later took out a lot of the holders, I put in and opted for a few simple holders inside, flexible fold down divider and a flat hidden pocket at the back. After finding out that visibility wasn't a problem (even close up), I got rid of the flap I put in front of it. So even after doing a mock up and testing it, I modified it after time performing. Consequently, my advice is to make a paper mock up first (heavy card is good) and test it. It'll save expensive mistakes. Your hand and wrist measurements are critical (allowing about one and half them) as you'll need to acquire and deposit stuff in it without looking cramped. In my experience (depending on what you are doing) one flexible divider (which you can fold down if you don't need it) to stop stuff sliding around is good. Stick your hand into the mock up, do a few slieghts, and see if it works and is practical. It's true you can't stick a cups in a cardboard mockup without possibly tearing it - but other similar sized objects such as styrofoam cups, large plastic balls, etc. for loads help get the idea. Next if you can pin the mockup on yourself - check for visibility and angles in a mirror. This helps as well. So I guess if you build a cheap paper prototype and check it out, you'll see if it works for you. You'll have a good idea what to buy or build that way. But, having said that, I'd still expect that you'd have to modify it after a while. I'd go with an inexpensive one for a while until you know exactly what you want. Regards, Kevin Mc Lean. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
I stitched two nail bags together that I bought at a hardware store with the toughest upholstery thread I could find.
That bag lasted me approx 5-6 months of use on fisherman's wharf before I made enough cash to buy a Frank Starsinic bag. I posted about it somewhere on the Café and I'm sure a search of the Café will bring up that post.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Let's see. I did a search of "gaddy" in username and "pouch" in keywords.
This should be the detailed instructions; http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=5104438 and THIS should be the picture; http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v213/r......ibicere/ Looks good, but wasn't the leather stiff to work with? We have a bag like that at Wal*Mart, but I don't like the way it feels.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Darth Ewok Loyal user Greeneville TN 228 Posts |
You know Gaddy. I use a exactly the same kind of nail poutch that you used. I use normal PF cups so I only use one poutch to hold the final loads, and I wear it on my side. I keep my cups stacked on top. it works great for me and I don't think I could be rough enough to tear it up
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BCS Inner circle 1083 Posts |
Gaddy's pouch looks great and quite functional. My suggestion is cruise some hardware and craft stores. You will be amazed at the things you can find to modify for your magical neeeds. It is fun to make your own magic apparatus and have pride in what you have made.
Gaddy, It appears you also have great powers over cats. Thanks, Bruce |
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santaknows New user 14 Posts |
Does anyone know of a vendor who sells a leather carpenter's apron that works well for cups and balls?
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Google search for leather carpenter's apron came up with several choices. I doubt if I'd use anyone of them for a Cups and Balls routine. It doesn't cost that much more to buy a pouch specially built for the Cups and Balls (Gary Animal & Gazzo pouches notwithstanding). You can get a good, leather "street pouch" for just at $100 from The Ambitious Card.
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=72
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magic123 Loyal user 273 Posts |
Hope this is ok to post - My pal Michael Lee has one for sale All heavy and thick leather dark brown.
Its Beautiful , and will hold 6 oranges / balls and Large mellon. He is asking 350. he can be reached at: info@michaelleemagic.com Hope this helps m123 |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On May 29, 2008, gaddy wrote: Thanks Gaddy!!! We make 2 pouches in that "inexpensive" range. The street pouch and the parlor pouch. 2 different styles and $99. The goal was to offer something that would meet or beat anything you could make yourself for the same price and a way for the beginning busker to try something out without having to over-spend. Kudos to anyone making their own... anything. But for those that are trying to make something just to save money, the 2 pouches above were designed for you.
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Hey Santa,.. "a leather carpenter's apron"..
that's a pretty good idea! I would go with THAT. I think it would look more realistic, personally,.. then a Pouch or two. I noticed, you've only a couple of Posts,.. I asume you're a bit 'new'. Your greatest strength in this moment, is your 'freshness'! Keep it. Guard it. Savour it,.. for as long as you can. It's also, in this moment, what YOU have,.. most to offer US. ,this fresh view. Honestly question everything here! Honour the 'Experience'. ,but look within yourself,.to go beyond. ,..then share it with us. thanks, ,..and,. a leather carpenter's apron it should be! gallagher |
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santaknows New user 14 Posts |
I appreciate all of the suggestions; they put me in the ballpark but not on base. Maybe I'll find something at the IBM/SAM convention next week. Hope I don't strike out. I'll let you know.
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Do they sell Carpenter Aprons, at the IBM/SAM Convention?!,..?
,gosh I'm really out of touch. ,..feeling 'bout as screwed up, as a football bat. 'but it WAS sunny today,..! ah,.. played my crazy heart tired. good night,. ,good luck,.. ,and think about it, ...a bad pouch in the front, is like an bad ouch in the back,.. a, pain in the a€€.. .it's the wine. gallagher. ,,,tomorrow morning, another Church. I think I'll go 'Catholic',.. ...it's the wine. |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Nothing in the rule book that says a pouch has to be made of leather ... I used denim and canvas for mine:
-JoeJoe
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santaknows New user 14 Posts |
Doesn't leather have the advantage of staying open to facilitate easy load gathering?
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Not if the front panel is wider than the width of the pouch. See it in action here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcyPk3vx4Xc -JoeJoe
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sdmagic Special user 697 Posts |
Cool wand. Where did you get it?
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Something I'm still working on ... currently it's too heavy, and not balanced making it hard to spin. Hopefully will have something better soon.
-JoeJoe
Amazing JoeJoe on YouTube[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/AmazingJoeJoe]
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MagiUlysses Special user Kansas City 504 Posts |
Greetings and Salutations,
I made myself a decent table top, after a half-dozen prototypes. For what it cost me in time and money, I would have been better off ordering a table top from Frank Starsinic. I took a run at making a gib, too, and ended up purchasing three or four, and had one custom made from a set of patterns which were generously given to me. I've still got four, one of which I got from Frank. If this sounds like a Frank commercial, it's not. It's an endorsement. He makes good quality stuff that he sells at a fair price. If money is an issue, go to a restaurant supply store, get a waiters' apron, and use it until you're made enough to buy a good, well-constructed gib. Unless you're already a good leather craftsman with some good stitching skills, the time and money you spend on your first couple of attempts would be better spent working on your act. But that's just my $.02 (USD) worth. YMMV Joe Zeman aka The Mage Ulysses |
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