While looking at jackets on the Internet, I came across one that was a mite different. Instead of having the arms crossed over the chest, it had the the arms held behind, paralell to each other, in an armbinder style.

I hesitate to post a link, as this was on a bondage site. Not even sure I can find it again. It did look like an interesting escape though.

What is the opinion on the forum as to using bondage gear in escapes or am I wandering as to good taste?

If you're using a piece of equipment, YOU're the one who writes the script.

I had a tour once, where in every city, the PR people took me to a bondage shop, and put me into some piece of equipment. It was good publicity. It also made for some interesting challenges, and lessons learned about technique. And I didn't get stuck.

A number of years back, EAs had the Wheeler-Tanner catalogue as a source for equipment. There must have been a hundred different SJ models available. None were right. None were wrong. It was just equipment.

We should all go over to Joseph Lauher's and look at the jackets he has.

Yes.

And considering that they were invented about 400 years ago, there's been a lot of room for different designs.

I know a guy who challanged a person in a bondage shop to escape from the cuffs they had..... they ALL had to have a safety release so that the person in them could get out - as the person in the shop demonstrated - he then challanged them that he could restrain them without them getting out - the shop assistant accepted - but didn't realise the quick release didng work with the double lock on!

HArley - I'm now troubled - have lots of images of you in bondage shops being "dressed up". Are you sure this was a magic tour and not just abit of a long fantasy holiday?

Magic? Me? I do get accused of that occasionally.

It was a big stage show, with a bunch of quirky performers (think, sideshow). At the end, one of the producers absconded to Hungary with the cash, and we didn't get paid what we were supposed to. Hungary, at the time, was not party to extradition agreements.

Dave, you should really check out the toys from those other traditions. Perhaps you'd feel less "troubled"?

I recall one, where my arms were behind my back, encased in leather sleeve-like things, each wrist tied to the opposite upper arm. Forearms were tightly strapped together. Other straps went cross-body in front, between the upper arms. It was very effective at immobilizing, but I got out. That one, I should have bought.

Come to think of it, it was sort of like a backwards SJ configuration, only a lot harder to escape.

But you did it.

Yup. That one was a really interesting puzzle.

I was stuck, the first time I did SJ. I've been stuck twice with cuffs, and once with chain. I've needed help 3 times with my saran wrap escape, out of about 1600 times I've done it (though I've faked a couple more). And the last time I walked past a mirror, it appeared that I haven't killed myself off yet.

Now I want to try SJ backwards.

There is actually a sucker bet, on a method to secure a regulation jacket, that makes it look harder to escape from.

I'll do it at the next convention.

I put on a backward SJ every day. It's called a SHIRT! LOL!!!

Do you do it yourself, or does the audience help?

Nice to see your words again, Chance! I hope your season's a blast!