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Donal Chayce Inner circle 1770 Posts 
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Well, Ekman's findings regarding how our faces and bodies unconsciously give visible signals that we're lying could theoretically be useful to magicians. But, that said, it's his position that even the most skilled liar can't control these unconscious responses, so if that's the case then perhaps the only practical use for magicians would be greater self-awareness and the ability to know when a spectator is "bluffing" (i.e., lying) when we say "is that your card" and they say "no."
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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I have never been able to do that thing that Erdnase calls:
“This cunning and absolutely unfathomable stratagem must have been devised by an individual of truly Machiavelian subtlety.”
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On 2008-12-15 20:55, Donal Chayce wrote: Microexpressions. Some of us see in what is called "microexpressions". The things that happen between the seconds.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Donal Chayce Inner circle 1770 Posts
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On 2008-12-15 21:52, Dannydoyle wrote: That's one of Dr. Ekman's areas of expertise. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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There seems to be no guides on to how to lie effectively but many on to detect lies.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2008-12-16 11:19, tommy wrote: Begin with Stanislavski and go on to his descendents . . . there's a lot out there.
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Michael Kamen Inner circle Oakland, CA 1315 Posts
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Consider, if 90% of what you do on stage is framed in such a way as to be taken by the audience as tongue in cheek, then your lies will be perceived in a playful spirit. Your audience will be prepared to enjoy the incongruity you present to them.
Do you really want them to take you so seriously? If everything is a lie, then there is really no deception. There may be a lot to learn from the art of clowning.
Michael Kamen
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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When in effect I place four Queens face down onto the table, I want them to absolutely be convinced that is what I have done, when in fact I haven’t. While the mechanics of the deception is helpful in doing that, so is the demeanour of magician. If he does that tongue in cheek as you say, it will arouse suspicion and not be effective. Thus one needs to not merely use mechanics but acting and psychology to convince them of the lie I think.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Michael Kamen Inner circle Oakland, CA 1315 Posts
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I think it takes a skilled performer, but a spirit of fun and humor need not cancel conviction of so obvious a thing as putting those 4 Queens on the table.
Michael Kamen
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