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nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
Ive been into magic for many years but getting engaged, having a son, getting a home, work (you get the idea) I don't have much time to practice. But I'm addicted to magic and every chance I get I do it. I have a history of buying tricks that tend to be to difficult for me and I know its my fault. Now granted with the limited time I have I still can do SOME things.......Basic things such as the elmsley count, double undercuts, controling cards, vaishing coins, double lifts, palming cards,hammonds (I believe that's the name) count, all kinds of forces, etc. I have mastered tricks such as witness (lee asher), distortion, extractor, Kennedy mystery box, sleeping queen, heartbreaker, enlightenment, and many and I mean many more. I am excellent at causing misdirection and pattering is my favorite. I perform at family gatherings and people are amazed at some of the tricks I do and Its amazing to me that some of the simplest tricks seem to get the best reactions. DO I STILL CONSIDER MYSELF A BEGINNER? Experts who read the tricks above will realize you do not need major skill to pull these off,(many of my tricks are like that) and my main question here is that if my entire "collection" (well, at least alot) of tricks are somewhat "self working" and can put on a 45min-1hr show using these and excellent patter, does that make you MORE than a beginner? And can anyone give me a recomendation of tricks that are similar to the ones I mentioned above that you don't have to be a master magician to do? (and I don't mean tricks that come in magic sets) Believe me I practice whenever I have the time but I need a little "help" if you know what I mean. Is there a forum for "best self working tricks" or anything like that? Like I said its not like I have NO skill but I'm certainly not a pro. Funny thing is some people think I am.
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Since people think that you a pro and what you posted I wouldn't say that your a beginner.
There is a forum here called "All in the cards" which is about self-working and semi-automatic card tricks. |
nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
Other tricks I own just to give you a better Idea..........Abaondened, Blink, Brainwave deck, Chaos 2, rising card deck, vanished and gone, white bikes, sudden deck, pensation (awsome mentalism trick), incredible, 3's a crowd, sankeys killer key, dime and penny, tnr, cell-out, ring case, shrinking deck, d-lite, strange travelers, presto printo, you get the idea. and a ton more.
You can see that those tricks I mentioned if you know them all don't require a ton of skill, but the way I patter these tricks off really sells it. thanks jaz ill check that forum out. but I have so many card tricks is there something involving self working tricks without cards? Heres an example........I have 2 tricks- crystal cleaver and the prison box. They get great reactions when I do the trick- and I patter those also, But I just get this gut feeling that the spectator is like "he's not doing anything, its just a trick box"- even though theyre like "how did you do that?" I'm looking for tricks that are a little more advanced than those even though I like them. Extractor and Kennedy Box are perfect examples. God I just love any type of magic its on my mind all day. HELP ME!!! |
jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
A beginner? I don't think so. I'd say your pretty much on your way. Most beginners have a thumb tip and a few sponge balls.
Jim |
rjthomp Regular user Pasadena 199 Posts |
I think you will have officially gone beyond the beginner stage when you go through all those effects that you do and focus on just the half dozen or so that fit your personality best, and concentrate on those...
As far as straight-forward (perhaps not self-working) effects without cards, check out the forums on rope, paper money, and sponge balls, and see if any of those are a good fit... -Rob |
nattefrost Special user 703 Posts |
Thanks, guys. Please keep in mind when I say "self working" I don't mean I do nothing to make the trick go. Gimmicked tricks seem to help me but in no way do I just want to sit there and look like Im doing absoultely nothing to make the trick work.
Just a note.....I thought "cell out" wouldnt fool anyone but when My fiance's phone was actually ringing I transformed the card box into the RINGING phone with a tap with of the jumbo card and people flipped out. The fact that it was ringing helped a lot. I realize tricks like that fit me perfectly. that's the kind of trick where you have to go directly into the next trick and don't give them a chance. I was just about to do the trick and when the phone rang I was like "Perfect timing". Still didn't think it would fool everybody but it really did. The ring case is good, too. Joker magic seems to make some good tricks that are somewhat easy to do. I don't seem to understand what the "production deck" does. can anyone explain that to me (Not how its done just what its about). Yes I am new to this site but I DO understand the rules. |
Gill Rogers New user Little Rock, AR, USA 61 Posts |
I would say you are beyond beginner. My experience as a beginner has been that I was utterly lost, began reading, and then as I learned and practiced began gravitating to those areas that interested me. Probably the most important thing that would differentiate a beginner from others (whatever their "status") would be an understanding that it's not the effect but the presentation. Being able to put together a 45 min.- 1 hr show with excellent patter shows an understanding of that principle, and would, in my limited knowledge and humble opinion, put you somewhere beyond "beginner".
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.--Albert Einstein
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carlosbosco New user 73 Posts |
I always mention this... tenyo tricks are the way to go if your a beginner. You DONOT have to be a pro to do these and are usually self working. My favorite is crystal cleaver and mystery china box. There are a ton of different tenyo tricks that are available.
Thanks Carlos |
hypermagician New user 52 Posts |
I don't think the meaning of beginner or expert magician are determined by how many fancy card/coin sleights you can do or how many tricks you know. To me, if one knows only 1 trick but can perform it smoothly as real magic in front of real audience and able to engage them, I will consider that person is an expert. I believe that secret and sleights are important in the art of magic, but the most important part in magic is being able to perform and engage the audience. Without the performing and the connection with the audience, a double life is just a double life, a false count is just a false count, they are not magic.
I myself can do only very few amount of sleights, and they are all very simple sleights, and 4 out of my 5 most performed tricks I carry with me are almost self-working and require very few and easy sleights. But performed well, they look real magic to the audience. I have seen some people can do a bunch of the sleights from the Card College series, but when they performs, they are boring as hell. As a magician, I respect and enjoy watching how smoothly they can excuse their sleights, but as an audience, I have no clue where the magic is. Those people can be named expert in their sleights, but they are still beginner in performing real magic. On the other hand, a lot of wonderful routines created by the masters are actually very simple in secrets, and it is the performing from the magician that makes those routines seem like real magic. I am sure many of us have seen a lot of this kind of routines in many DVDs by the masters. So, it is not the number of tricks or sleights that make you an expert in magic, it is the ability to turn a trick into a magic that counts. In my opinions, if performed well by the magician, a magic show completely with self-working tricks can still be the most amazing show of the world (Be honest, how many of those giant illusion boxes require fancy sleight of hands?) |
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