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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What would it mean to the audience if you put a hank over the bottle, snuck the coin after some contortions and then pulled the hank away to show the coin in the bottle and let them discover that the label was now inside the bottle rather than outside - ie that to put the coin in you really turned the bottle inside out. Then after covering again and some more contortions you get the coin out.
What I'm getting at is playing up the coin going inside the bottle and letting them fuss over "what you really did" without pointing it out. Thoughts? Obviously if you can make the bottle quickly enough it would be worth breaking the bottle either purposely or "accidentally" to get the coin out - but let's leave it at the Roth type handling of the gaffus for today's discussion.
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Rickbc Regular user 160 Posts |
Jonathan,
I attempted to do this using the Coin in Bottle from David Roths tape. Here's where I ran into problems. I could not find any way to have the 1st lable to stick to the bottle after removing it. David says it's easy to place it on the bottle and rub it around this was at the end of the routine during the explanation portion. I found that didn't work. Getting the 2nd lable into the bottle was no problem I used the method he describes in the video. I found myself to be frastrated about the label on the front. I did use a folding quarted like David so that was not even an issue. If you found a way to get the 1st lable to stick and then remove with the hankie could you PM me and help me with that. I shure would like to prefoem this routine. Thanks Rick
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MarkTirone Inner circle palming not 1 coin, but 1139 Posts |
So you want to make it seem like the bottle wraps around the coin and turns inside out? I'm not too sure how you would CONVINCINGLY do that. You might need to flip the label around inside the bottle and what not and then they would have to be misdirected and not notice the discrepency in the bottle. Give it a try though and lets see what you come up with.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Yes Mark, the idea is for the attentive audience members to "figure out" that the magician did not really pass the coin through the bottle but instead turned the bottle inside out while it was covered with the hank.
It's the same sort of humor as doing the sawing in half trick but having your assistant wear a costume with lots of zippers and having one such at just the right level on her upper thighs. The implied explanation is perfectly plausible in a magical world but far less plausible in our world. Or perhaps doing the Asrah but having one's assistant wearing lots of makeup and a cheap mask and leaving a flimsy costume below when she floats up... implying she was really a ghost in a costume. Anyway back to the bottle?
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MarkTirone Inner circle palming not 1 coin, but 1139 Posts |
So you want to know how to make the bottle? Is the bottle going to be full of water?
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Mark,
The bottle part has been taken care of, Roth did it! |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Any thoughts on the effect and how it would play for your audiences?
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
A Number of years ago I designed a coin in bottle which Sasco then made and sold
It was a US coin on one side and a foriegn coin on the other. depending upon how the bottle was tipped and handled, the desired side of the coin could be shown up. This allowed for a chosed coin, foriegn or US to penetrate in or out of the bottle. The idea although novel never caught on, and the coins are no longer made. Kotah |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Kotah, there was a guy working cruises in the middle of last century who used to borrow a coin and pass it into the bottle. His case had pockets for several different gaffs to match the most common coins that passengers would offer.
Anyway - how about playing the "turning inside out" as a seemingly secret method?
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MarkTirone Inner circle palming not 1 coin, but 1139 Posts |
Well from what we probably all know Jon, spectators LOVE when we mess up (or seemingly mess up) so if you were acting maybe just a little suspicious throughout the routine then in the end the coin goes into the bottle, you can maybe egg them on to lifting up the hankerchief to reveal the bottle and then acting like they kind of cought you or saying something like "Oh, magicians arn't supposed to tell our secrets but I guess you cought me this time. I had to turn the bottle insdie out around the coin to make it seem like it is inside." I don't see anything really going wrong in this routine along the lines of what the spectators think The worst that can happen is they might not like it but then you go back and work on it some more. I don't own the roth tapes but if you are using a plastic bottle, maybe it would be more realistic if the label was also turned around. Just sort of thinking out loud here.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Often, the best way to convince an audience of something like this is to make them think of it themselves. In this case, one might claim to have a way of putting the coin in the bottle that "nobody has ever figured out". One might even take the coin and the bottle under the table, or behind an open book or briefcase, and after suitable motions and noises (I really like the sound aspect) come out with the coin in the bottle. Let them discover the inside-out nature of the bottle.
I'm tempted to add a signed coin or bottle cap, but that is possibly just "magician's thinking." It would be nice to do something that proves there's no switch, but if you had someone sign the bottle, the signature would have to end up on the inside of the bottle. And if you're including that feature, then why bother with the coin at all?
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts |
Paul Harris touched on this concept with cards by transporting his audience inside a card case (See El Warpo in Close-Up Entertainer).
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Yes he did Mitch, kind of obliquely and as a gag, now how about for real as the "method" for the trick in a way that appears sound?
BTW, going that way for the Curtis Kam item "Jack in the box" where you get a signed card into the box...some sort of gaffus on the card case to do similar might be lots of fun - have to be practical though. At last with the bottle it's just the label.
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ladirector Regular user 128 Posts |
After the quarter comes out of the bottle, turn the coin "inside out" so its copper on the outside and silver on the inside.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Um... Curtis Kam as a spellbound like that - and that might make a fun way to end the trick where you accidentally turn their coin inside out.
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