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Robert Kohler Special user Fayetteville, Arkansas 520 Posts |
I just received the SBL chop cup and man is it HEAVY!! It makes me wonder if it may be too heavy - like a spec asking why does that cup have to be so heavy? Do you think it is possible for cup(s) to be too heavy for their size?
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
No. And why would someone question the weight? I've NEVER had anyone question any cups, bowls, or anything.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
If a spectator comments about the weight of your cup, simply give a side way glance and call em a "WIMP"!
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doublelift Veteran user 342 Posts |
Just my opinion from the "heavy" chop cups in my collection but weight seems to help my efforts. Its all in how you use the cup and how hard it is to break the gimmicks hold on the ball. I assume you are referring to the double wall copper SBL. I have one on order and its not here yet so I can't comment on it yet. However I have the SBL aluminum and copper "workers cup" and find them both very good to work with. The aluminum is heavy for aluminum but it will hold up to some abuse unlike some like the Ickle Pickle thin wall cup with no rolled edge. I like to drop my chp cups just above the bag in a casual movement rather than forcing it down. I think this is where the weight helps me. If anyone asks about the weight ( how would they know if you don't hand it out) tell them its very old from a time when things were hand crafted with the best of care and materials.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
I would look at the cup with loving eyes and say, "That's the beauty of it - it doesn't have to be, but man, I love it." Then I would relate the time I was at a restuarant that I frequent, and ordered a Coke, which came in a mug, as usual. I didn't realize it, but they had changed from heavy glass to plastic since I had been in last. When I picked up that mug, I was expecting heavy glass, and I nearly THREW the entire contents all over my shirt!
Thinking as a spec, I would wonder more about a 'cup' that was made out of copper (assuming yours is copper). In all my life, I have never - personally - seen a cup made out of copper before. Of course, you could say it is a rare, foreign cup. Its like a song. If you really sell it, the audience will (hopefully) buy into it.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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NurseRob Elite user Dallas, TX 469 Posts |
I have ordered both the copper and aluminum SBL, and They are both hefty and awesome. I have a Don Alan comin too..a guy cannot have too many chops!
Ut imago est animi voltus sic indices oculi ~
The face is a picture of the mind as the eyes are its interpreter ~Cicero |
Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
One of the advantages of some of the heavy cups is that you can drop them from about 1 inch above the mat, and the ball will dislodge. Just make sure you don't miss the mat!
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
doublelift Veteran user 342 Posts |
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On 2009-02-07 01:11, Bill Palmer wrote: Bill knows what I m trying to say about "dropping" the cup. It looks a lot less like a move since it seems as if you lost interest in the cup at that point and that's when misdirection further takes the heat off. I am sure someone could do the math on the increased mass of the cup and how it accelerates in the drop before coming to a halt on the bag or mat. Mat or bag you don't want the cup making a bunch of noise like it would hitting a hard surface it will break the misdirection you want at that second. |
Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts |
I have been buying C&Bs and Chop cups because it is nice to have a collection that other magician have. I feel part of the magic faternity by having these toys. Chessman is right, how do we explain to the spec about the cups we have that you would never see in normal everyday situation.
I keep remembering the Don Alan and his chop cup routine on YouTube, that video was made a long time ago when people were acturally using aluminum cups. Maybe in the Renassiance days people were drinking from copper cups, but today people are drinking from plastic containers. I think with C&Bs the cups can easily be seen as a magic prop, but chop cup needs to have a story behind it. BTW, Mendoza Combo cups are the heaviest cups I have at the moment and I am waiting on my SBL Copper Chop Cup as well making me wonder how heavy that is? |
doublelift Veteran user 342 Posts |
-Hit 'em with some patter if they ask about the copper cup. Tell them plastic is for drinking but has no magical properties or only the cheap shows use plastic cups.You can always go into a story about how you found the rather odd looking cup in your grandfathers basement and you polished and cleaned it and decided it needed to have a new career in the magic world. If you can't get over the cup looking out of place buy a PK ring and some plastic or paper Dixie cups and learn to do Chop cups with a PK ring. The difference in handling is obvious when the PK ring leaves the cup the ball is released.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
You don't need ANY explanation of the cup.
I repeat, you don't need ANY explanation of the cup. If you agree with Don Alan about the reason we do the chop cup more often than the classic three cup routine, which is to get to the final loads fairly quickly, time spent making excuses for the cup is time wasted. In the final analysis, what they remember about the routine is that one, two or three large balls or pieces of fruit inexplicably appeared underneath a cup. I used to do this routine with a leather cup. How do you explain a leather cup? You don't bother. The real question is WHY do you explain a leather cup. You don't need to. You just bring out the cup, bring out the ball and start the routine. The longer you work with these props, the more you realize that the material of the cup is of NO consequence. You don't have to tell them it's a "magic cup." If you do, you give them the idea that it may have some special physical properties. Do you really want to do that? For the last four years, I have been using the Baby Don in brass as my strolling cup when performing for kids. Never once has anyone asked why I use a little brass cup. When you gain the self-confidence to perform the routine without thinking about the gaffed props, then you are really ready to concentrate on the presentation and the showmanship.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
I agree with Bill, I have never thought of explaining what my cups for thecups and balls are, I guess if Ihad to then the closest I couldcome up with would be measuring cups or for the larger ones jelly moulds but I don't ever see myself explaining.
I do like heavy cups, for me, the heavier the better in chop cups and cups and balls sets. I guess it's personal choice at the end of the day. For a working pro then durability has to come into it too. I once handled somecupsin amagic shop, I don't know what make they were but they looked alittle like PF cups but they were aluminium and they were really thin. I would imagine that after a few months or being hit with a wand they would have a very limited life. |
Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts |
But Bill, you do have to explain why you are using a cup for a hat on your Avatar.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Because I didn't have a chamberpot big enough to do the job.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
dcjames Special user 577 Posts |
I completely agree with Bill & Pete... there is absolutely nothing to explain about a cup. Period.
Not sure why, but it seems that many times as magicians we get so caught up worrying about what a spectator may possibly think about a prop, that we end up running without having been chased. As Bill said, "You don't have to tell them it's a magic cup." At the most, if asked, (And like Pete, I have never been asked.) just state that it's a solid metal cup and get on with the magic. IMO, over explaining is a by-product of guilt and is not at all magical.
“Magic is very easy to do - poorly.”
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
One night I went into the Ritz Carlton hotel's lounge ahead of time and put my 3 mini Riser cups on the mantle over a huge fireplace. A bit later when our guests and wife and I decided to go in for a nightcap... I did a bit of card magic, then said, "There are some old little cups over there on the mantle, let me get them and see what kind of mojo they have."
And the rest is history. MAGIC CAN BE FUN.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts |
One week after ordering the SBL Strolling Copper Chop Cup and it arrives in great shape. This cup is very beautiful and yes it is heavy, but so what, I think I am going to love this cup.
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