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The Curator of the Unusual Inner circle Tampa FL 1399 Posts |
Since a lot of you are individual Acts....I as a SS operator am interested in your opinion based on that perspective...JS posted this on SSW..
JS Quote I got an email from a local Knife thrower named 'Trowdini" here in New York.... He said because I am producing a sideshow on "THOR" land that I am trying to put Dick Zigen's Sideshoww by the sea Shore out of business... This is such a dumb response to my want to hire this act.... First of all Zigen's doesn't own Coney Island... There use to be numberous sideshow's at one time in Coney Island... Throwdini also said NO one that ever worked for Dick Zigen will EVER perform in my Show.... unquote Now, I don't want to hear about how JS's a Buffoon, but rather the "content" or "take" as reasoning for not taking any Job/Gig???? Just Curious Errr The Curator
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I like Throwdini. Don't know enough about the situation to render opinion.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
The Curator of the Unusual Inner circle Tampa FL 1399 Posts |
Forget JS and Throwdini...Are those appropriate reasons to turn down work???
You come to a point in your life when you really don't care what people think about you, you just care what you think about yourself.
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BostonBlackie Regular user Chicago, IL 111 Posts |
I have to say that I have not taken gigs, that others in my position would have taken, due to my own personal sense of right and wrong. Throwdini has his own take on the situation, his own internal logic, his sense of morality, and his own sense of honor. He can speak for himself and if he feels a certain loyalty to Sideshow by the Seashore, more power to him. He should not be putting words in others' mouths.
It wasn't the brightest thing I've ever done in my life. Sadly though, it was far from the dumbest.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
As a producer of Monday Night Magic, there are a number of acts that work for us and will not work other shows. And as producers we strive to present acts that you can't see anywhere else onstage in NYC. That is not always possible, but we usually present acts that make what we do distinctive.
That is the case in general. This case in specific is something else entirely. |
The Curator of the Unusual Inner circle Tampa FL 1399 Posts |
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On 2009-04-29 19:15, Todd Robbins wrote: Understood, When I worked in the Circus, Sometimes a Producer would put in a Clause such as "Cannot work within a said distance of this city 2 months prior or after said date" However, as a example I have played Cities 3 times in a year with 3 different Circuses when they did not...and As Shrine Dates can jump from 1 Producer to the next, I have never turned down work to any Producer based on Favorites, Nor has any Producer ever complained about a act working for a competitor unless contractually obligated....
You come to a point in your life when you really don't care what people think about you, you just care what you think about yourself.
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oddityprodigy New user 51 Posts |
I've worked for people who demanded exclusivity and loyalty. And I've worked for people who wanted me to grow and prosper even if it meant I would leave them and work for someone else.
In my experience, the ones who wanted my loyalty most deserved it the least. |
Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
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On 2009-04-29 22:35, oddityprodigy wrote: You might not be working for the right people. |
oddityprodigy New user 51 Posts |
I wasn't. Live and learn.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
If you have a relationship with a show producer and it is someone that has been good for you, someone that has allowed you to grow as a performer, someone that has put money in you pocket; and a second producer comes along and offers you a gig, but this person is of dubious character and intentions and has announced that you are engaged to work for him even though you have not agree to it and even if you did do the job there is a very good chance he might not pay you, and if you feel that (though the first producer has not said anything) working for this second producer might be a slight to the first producer, why would you want to work for that second producer?
Of course, this is all hyporthetical and not based upon any actual people or real situations. Your mileage may vary. Consult your doctor if symptoms persist. Void where prohibited by law. |
Stephon Special user Maryland, USA 911 Posts |
Quote: You mean, like, on the floor?On 2009-04-29 23:25, Todd Robbins wrote:
~Les S. Moore, The Dapper Dipper
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The Curator of the Unusual Inner circle Tampa FL 1399 Posts |
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On 2009-04-29 23:25, Todd Robbins wrote: Agreed!
You come to a point in your life when you really don't care what people think about you, you just care what you think about yourself.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Now, having waxed hypothetical, here's a bit of specifics about the situation that inspired this discussion.
Throwdini wrote a very simple, direct and very respectful email to the man that offered him a gig. He declined the offer, not out of dislike for this person, but because of a lack of respect for that person's sponsor. And he relayed a decline from the other people that were performing with him. There some mention of respect for the founder of Coney Island USA, but that was meant so where Throwdini loyalty is placed in relation to the other show's sponsor. There was nothing insulting or contentious in that email. There was no ego in that email. All of that seems to have come from the recipient’s interpretation of the email. |
The Curator of the Unusual Inner circle Tampa FL 1399 Posts |
Bravo! (I just replied to your similiar post at SSW) The reason I posted JS's post here was not to defend JS or Throwdini...But rather to see the reaction and veiwpoints of acts...In short, A Shady operator (Circus) has offered me a Job many times over the years...I always just Politely declined, as I knew it was No Benifit to him or me to "State" the Obvious...I found the replies to this thread interesting and helpfull and wish all a successful season....
You come to a point in your life when you really don't care what people think about you, you just care what you think about yourself.
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
To examine the small print would then make it clear as to which way to follow through. Without full knowledge of the details a decision or view of this situation would only be hypothetical.
To work for an Agent is not the same as working for a Manager (Nine times out of ten a manager would have a performers best interests at heart) An agent would only be interested in the hard cash side of things. For a performer to turn down work would be a kiss of death (All bosses of all ilks mix & mingle and have an unseen bond with each other) So if a performer found himself in a position of a moral dilema then that would be an individual response based on his or her personal morals. Once more even the moral concensus of working for the "Opposition" is alien to the whole attitude of performing, we perform for the love of it maybe ! But also the cash. As a business, in order to survive we have to work. This could meen swallowing ones pride in order to eat !! Would I work for a boss who has taken ground on a venue destined to be flattened ??? The short answer would be a yes. Reasoning being that I would be doing my job, keeping my biz afloat knowing that in X weeks time the said venue would be turned into a car park. Once more without knowing the full details I think we can only look on and respect Throwdini`s personal decision. Ken. |
Addy Loyal user NY 243 Posts |
Without getting political here, I think that many New York performers are staying away from having anything to do with Thor. A while back Thor posted on Craigslist looking for walk around performers, sideshow, magic and circus, and from what I understand there was not much of a response.
Now, it's not that there's a lack of performers in the NYC area, but I think that a majority of performers in our area feel that Thor has killed the Coney that many of us have known and loved. Therefore any association with them is negative. It's a matter of personal morals. This, of course was long before there was any public knowledge that John was coming to town, so it has nothing to do with him. On a personal level, I wouldn't respond to Thor's Craigslist posting for that reason. I don't perform for a living, this is not my bread and butter, so I have the flexability to pick and chose the gigs I want to do. I wouldn't work for Thor. As Todd said, with regards to tone in an email or posting, it's very difficult to read tone. What I might write with the intention of being light, someone might read as insulting. |
critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Well if that's the question, I stopped doing a show here when the family who owned it fired a very successful director for what I felt were very petty reasons. Several of us walked out with him.
Staying in a sinking ship wouldn't have done anything but drag me down with it.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I know you can't do it in the library. "A friend" found out the hard way.
Quote: On 2009-04-30 00:16, Stephon wrote:
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
One more quick thing, I have never publicly spoken ill of the unnamed Faire in question. That would not be professional on my part.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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On 2009-04-29 22:35, oddityprodigy wrote: It's not loyalty, just respect. If someone is willing to hire you for a show, it is common courtesy to not run across the street and do a show for your own personal gain. BTW, it's called a non-compete contract, it ensures that a wandering snake doesn't steal your show idea.
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