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J.Robert Loyal user Gettysburg, PA 240 Posts 
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My problem with the EC is if I happen to mention that the effect uses 4 cards and then do the display (EC), it seems that about 70-80% of the time someone says "hey, I only saw 3 cards". Very frustrating, and I've practiced the hell out of it.
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts
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On 2009-05-17 16:01, J.Robert wrote: Weird - you know I've never had that happen, never mind 2 times out of every 3 ! 
The rhythm of the thing is important, and also not making a big deal - you're just showing the cards ... |
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nattefrost Special user 704 Posts
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To J. Robert- That's a surprise that so many people say you're only counting 3 cards! Everyone I do it to are fooled by it. Are you doing this to people who perform magic? I even showed my ficnce how the count is done and she is still fooled by it. Maybe it's the type people we're doing it to, because no one has noticed the false count, granted I have been carrying around 4 or 5 cards everywhere I go for the last few months and practicing. Keep trying and do it in a mirror to see is it looks good.
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nattefrost Special user 704 Posts
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Also, one thing I like about practicing this count in a mirror is that it gives you a chance to practice it with your eyes not on the cards but in the mirror.(yes they are on the cards but in the mirror) It makes it a little more difficult for me doing it in mirror, but helps in the long run.
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J.Robert Loyal user Gettysburg, PA 240 Posts
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I've been trying to make the cards "click" a little as I pull them off, that way, if only subconsciously, they hear 4 clicks (I let the last card click off my fingers).
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts
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That's a good tip about the mirror work.
I'm always trying to remind myself not to burn my own hands - it only encourages others to burn them as well, it gives a big tip-off that this is one of the places where 'something' is happening even if they don't fully know what it is ... If the count is done at constant rhythm, with just the receiving hand moving, I've always found the EC very deceptive. |
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nattefrost Special user 704 Posts
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AlienSpaceBat is so right about NOT making a big deal about it and having that rhythm in the count. I never say "OK, look, I have FOUR cards". Doing "NFW", I casually say (and I do this kind of quickly) "I have some jokers, three are face up and one face down" while I'm doing the count. By the time I'm done THEN they are registering in their head that I have 4 cards. (and also think the face down one is a joker, too, when it's not). And I'm not a sleight expert, maybe with the Elmsley Count I am, but that's how I do it.
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nattefrost Special user 704 Posts
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As someone who tends to get a little nervous when a sleight is involved, I am happy to say that I have never messed up the EC when doing NFW-(to spectators) I have no Idea why, as sometimes I have a slip-up when I'm doing it myself.(And I do it a million times a day) Sometimes I try to get super fancy with it or do it at lightning speed (which is not good I hear). I am so happy with the count it almost fools myself! so when you're happy with it, then you should be fine.
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts
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One time, I had someone ask me to recount the cards. That kinda killed the trick at that point. So I sat down and came up with a count that would get me back to EC position without having to rearrange the cards.
Eventually, I learned that I simply recreated a version of the Jordan count. I proceeded to practice EC, Jordan, EC, Jordan, EC. After several months, I could easily count four cards and simply repeat the count again and again. Its wonderful practice and I now use the Jordan Count in other tricks. So when you get into this situation again, just count the four cards again and you're right back in EC position.
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts
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Quote: The "Underground Elmsley" will reset the cards to an Elmsley Count setup also...
On 2009-05-18 22:42, konjurer wrote: Cardamagically, Dom 
We don't stop playing when we grow old...we grow old when we stop playing.
God is enough, let go, let God. Gal 2:20 "Anything of value is not easily attained and those things which are easily attained are not of lasting value."   
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