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Back No 67 New user 87 Posts |
I've been wondering about this for a while. Lets say, hypothetically, you were playing in a game of hold'em and they have a cut card. Even if I could shift the cut (which I can't) how would I get around the cut card? I can't just bring it to the centre of the deck, so what would I do? I have no idea, I don't even play regularly. Just a thought.
This is just something that's been floating around in my head for a while. I like reading about this kind of thing so if anybody has some ideas of where to find something about it, let me know. Also, just as I was writing this, I had a thought. Would the easiest way to avoid this whole situation be to stack a hand and then try to have someone cut at a crimp or something similar? I hear a lot that a lay person will unknowingly cut to a crimp 9/10 times. Well let me know. Regards, Ed |
rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
DOC posted his Infinity Shift that bypassed a cut card some time ago. I can "sometimes" hop the cut card during that Jennings circular table shift thingy that's in Vernon's Ultimate Secrets of Card Magic. Can't remember the right name...
Setting crimps and bridges are a lot more safer, IMO.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Kovax New user 13 Posts |
I was experimenting with this very problem a few days ago, and discovered that it isn't that difficult to execute the classic shift while retaining keeping the cut card at the bottom. With a little practice, it would be no trouble at all to shift around the cut card. I am unaware of any published methods for executing the move, but it really only took about 15 minutes to come up with a way to do it. Essentially just the opposite of a Cover Pass. I was thinking of terming it an Undercover Shift, though I am sure someone else has done the move.
I would also agree that setting a crimp would be much better if your intentions are to go for the money. |
Back No 67 New user 87 Posts |
Would the best way for me to get my hands on a description of the Infinity Shift, be to PM Doc himself? Or is it published someplace else?
I understand what you mean by it. It could work. You would have to have a pretty good classic shift in order to 'get the money' though. Its a bit fiddly. Ed |
AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
A classic pass at the card table? Well...
Anyway. There are many ways to bypass a cut card. Very bold ones, very difficult ones, very easy ones, etc. IMHO it's not a very good thing to work such a move. It takes time, you often need kinda misdirection and more and more you are supposed to cut "both hands released" at a table. As rawdag said, crimps, bridges, breathers and so on are safer and such techniques will last longer. About cut card bypasses, if you want I can post funny moves I use for demo (for demo only!). |
magicsavant Regular user Georgia 157 Posts |
^^^ please post 'em
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Rawdawg, I think you mean the miller table shift.
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
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On 2009-06-26 23:50, Back No 67 wrote: If you are dealing a game of hold'em it is not generally necessary to "beat the cut". You will be the one who executes the final cut onto your cut card... so you have all the control in the world... you can even simply cut to a break if crimps aren't your thing. If the deal passes from player to player as in some private games then the situation may be different, however, since the dealer cuts in all casino hold'em games it may not be too difficult to have the players simply accept this when you do it. If someone speaks up, then you pass the cut and look like a noob... so what's the harm in looking like a noob? I believe Richard Turner has several "cut card shifts" on his shifts and hops dvd. |
Back No 67 New user 87 Posts |
I second magicsavant in a request to see AMcD's demo shifts.
The few times I've played the deal gets shifted around the table and the person to the right of the dealer has the final cut onto the cut card. It was for this very reason I started thinking about this predicament. Lol, as you say, there is absolutely no harm in looking like a noob. If all else fails, at least you have managed to portray the persona of a person who can shuffle but does not have any idea of the rules. Thanks, I'll look into Turner's shifts and hops dvd. Ed |
rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
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On 2009-06-27 10:55, kcg5 wrote: There you go. Leave it to me and my Guinness to roll some graves...
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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