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JPK Loyal user 272 Posts |
Good morning.
I was just wondering how long this routine is played out by differant people. I realize it can be done fairly quickly and straight forward, but that is not the way I do it. I have only done this a few times and so far I have received some very strong reactions. I perform it as a psychomotry test. I also introduce many differant props. My routine goes on for about 20 minutes and so far I have not lost peoples attention. After I'm done people will spend a great deal of time looking at teh various newspapers and documents. Maybe this is overkill but so far it has worked well for me. One thing this effect has helped me do is to "slow down" and enjoy the story. Something that has helped me with other story telling effects. I was just wondering how long most people play this out. Thanks for your time. John Kardel
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Leslie Melville Special user Blackpool-U.K. 708 Posts |
Well done!
By introducing additional props and newspaper cuttings etc. you have moved the routine away from being just a card trick with photographs (which is what it actually is!)and created a fascinating exercise into the paranormal. Congratulations! Leslie
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JPK Loyal user 272 Posts |
Good afternoon Leslie.
I picked up quite a few things from someone here on the Café. Ebay is also a great source for materials. I am not a "worker". I realize that my routine would be too long for most situations. I perform for family and friends. I simply start out by asking if they would like to try something interesting. I do not even mention the Titanic until after they specs have made thier selections from the photos. The story then introduces many differant props and documents. There is plenty of time between the selection process and the time they are shown what's on the back of the photos. The last thing I wanted anyone to think is that this is a trick. It ends up being a test of psychometry. At the end I log the results of which photos have been selected along with other details on a "Test Sheet" that I made up. I keep a folder filled with these so that people can look at past test results. They are usually quite amazed at how even though the photos selected are always differant, the end result is shockingly the same. John Kardel
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
I introduce two props. A nurse's watch and a pen. The watch was used in the checking of vital signs by a nurse of survivors, while the pen was used to make up a list of people who perished. Takes about 10 minutes with the selecting of pictures. I do not think I could hold attention for 20 minutes on one effect, probably just need more story. I just think 20 minutes is a bit long. However I do use an ESP test as a prelude to "White Star" showing that the two participants have a natural affinity for ESP and physcic phenonema (spelling).
Also I do not mention anything about the Titanic until after the selections have been made. The participants hold the watch and the pen in their left hand as they accept or reject the photos. At this point they do not know what the pen or watch was used for. For lack of a better word the watch and the pen are in sympathy with the tragic event that took place years ago. I prefer "White Star" to both "From Hell" and "Split Reality" but use "From Hell" around Halloween.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Not performed it for a little while - but when I did, near the eight minute mark...
I use sea-spray candles (two) just to help add to the whole scene/setting...people will pick up on the sea-air vibe as it were... two old pennies (well, one's a sh*l*) - as in the whole "paying the ferryman" and the resting on the eyes of the pennies for his trouble, and at one point, an old whistle, which also doubled up as a pendulum...but I used to use a nice aged haunted key otherwises...they'd be my two markers... I'd spend a good three or so minutes setting the scene, it'll be lit just by the two candles...i have had a couple of people cry during it all...it may have been the onions though... I always played up asking the selectors to imagine what it must have been like to be on board, the panic, the fear...asking them what they see through their minds eye...it can be a very unsettling effect...
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Leslie Melville Special user Blackpool-U.K. 708 Posts |
I sometimes add in a Haunted Key bit with a story related to the key of the binoculars store that was missing from the ship. It is based upon a true story about the actual key that was sold at auction for £90,000.
PM me if you're interested. Leslie
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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1368 Posts |
I too use a candle that smells like the sea and I have also a (hidden) little flacon of sea-spray parfum. During the performance, I negligently make the remark: "that's is odd, it is if I smell the sea.".
During the choosing of the photo's there is also playing a very soft background music that I control with a remote and wich add enormous to the atmosphere. Just before choosing the photo's I offer the two participants a glass of wine. At the end I draw their attention to the label at the winebottle. It is a special printed winelabel for the maiden voyage of the Titanic. (eBay...). Then the newspapers, the last menu, a photo of the orchestra ect... I have never timed it, but I think the whole routine is about 10 Ã 15 minutes. I perform it allways "single". (no other tricks). I want to add that I use (in my humble opinion) the best method to deal the photo's to the right person. I explained it at the forum that is special reserved for the buyers of the effect on the website of the dealer. If you are interested, PM me the name of one of one of the survivors and explain in short how he/she survived (back of the photo) as proof of ownership. |
Bill Fienning Special user 635 Posts |
I do not mention the Titanic until after the selections are made. 60% of the first class passengers survived; 25% of the third class passengers survived. Some people believe that a silver coin brings good luck. Many of the first class passengers might have had such a coin. Copper coins are not unlucky, just not particularly lucky. Most of the third class passengers would probably have had copper coins instead of silver.
I loan a "silver" 10-shilling British coin to one spectator who ends up selecting the Survivor photos. The other spectator gets a copper British penny and selects the Died photos. Using coins avoids the problem of explaining how, here in New Mexico, I could have acquired anything (genuine) associated with the Titanic disaster. I claim that I got the photo cards in Halifax at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic there. It has a Titanic exhibit. I have been to the Maritime Museum so I can speak knowledgeably about it. The museum has an actual wooden deck chair (which floated) from the Titanic and an exact reproduction which the visitors are allowed to sit in. I did just that.
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Leslie Melville Special user Blackpool-U.K. 708 Posts |
Bill,
I am intrigued, what does your 'ten shilling' British coin look like? One shilling, two shillings (a florin), two and sixpence (half a crown) or a crown (five shillings); I am familiar with all of these - and old enough to have owned them years ago. But ten shillings was always paper money. Are you using the newer fifty pence? This is a modern coin and decimalised equivalent in value to the old ten shillings. Leslie
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Leslie Melville Special user Blackpool-U.K. 708 Posts |
Hello again Bill,
Further to my earlier post - I have been doing some research and have found that there is/was a pre-decimalisation Irish ten shilling coin. But that was a special coin produced in 1966 and commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Easter uprising. So too late for Titanic. Before that, the only example of an English coin of that value was a golden ten shillings in Elizabethan times! I write this not to appear a 'Smart A**e'. I know you to be precise and accurate in your detail and think that eventually you are likely to be challenged if you continue using your silver ten shillings - try getting hold of a 1912 florin or half-crown. They are around and not overly expensive! Regards, Leslie
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Bill Fienning Special user 635 Posts |
The actual coins that I use are modern 10-pence coins dated 1969 and 1975. I talk about silver 10-shilling coins in circulation at the time of Jack the Ripper. I needed to get some practice time on the routine, and these coins were easily available in New Mexico. I even refer to them as "silver" and that silver coins were thought to be lucky. I had plans to upgrade the coins, but have not had time yet.
The coins are hard to read, and I do not call detailed attention to them. In several sessions, I have not been caught. Most Americans don't understand the traditional English money system, and so they don't pay much attention to the coins.
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Leslie Melville Special user Blackpool-U.K. 708 Posts |
Thanks Bill for clarification.
The modern ten pence coin is similar in shape and size to the old pre-decimalised one shilling. I think the one shilling (1/-) always referred to as silver, was actually nickel/silver. It may have been originally a silver coin, but as conditions for the masses improved (marginally!), many more coins would have been minted to meet the demand, so a cheaper, but still hard wearing coin would have been more cost-effective! Goodness knows what the modern ten pence coin is made of now! The old half-crown is a nice hefty coin (around silver dollar size) and polished up would certainly look quite interesting. As I mentioned earlier, they are still available and not expensive. Leslie
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/acatalog/Fa......ins.html
scroll down the page, and there's some old pennies and half crown shells and other bits n bobs if anyone is interested...
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Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
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