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Dorian Rhodell Inner circle San Francisco, CA. 1633 Posts 
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On 2009-09-06 15:29, wsduncan wrote: I'm going to correct you here Bill, Steve's pass is on Steve's DVD entitled "The Works" that was produced by Steve Books and The Magic Bakery. What's great about this pass is that it completely eliminates a get ready and can be done without a break. For me, this is my go to pass for certain effects. Best, Dorian Rhodell |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts
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hitmouse Loyal user 249 Posts
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On 2009-09-06 18:13, Eric Fry wrote: Hugard & Braue's crediting in ECT and other places is a bit controversial, but their published works are still an important and very useful resource. But, whatever the provenance of the turnover pass... The turnover pass could be described as a type of Herrmann pass given the movement of the bottom packet. However, a standard Herrmann pass does not involve any rotation of the top packet. |
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weapon Inner circle I am Emran. I have, 1328 Posts
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There's a awesome turnover pass variant that I use all the time in the book " by forces unseen"
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markmiller Special user 731 Posts
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Not exactly a kosher turnover pass, but the pass and flourish, or spread pass from Paul Lepaul book is awesome.
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fridoliina89 Special user 503 Posts
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Are the explanations on the Earl Nelson Lost tapes very in depth? Is it the best video instruction of the move?
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts
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"Best" is a very subjective term. Different people think different explanations are better, and not everyone (if anyone) has seen all of them in order to make an informed decision. But Earl Nelson is a mighty fine card man, and he does a mighty fine job of teaching in my opinion.
The book Whit mentioned is excellent, if somewhat difficult to come by. There is a relatively easy turnover pass taught in Doug Edwards Packs a Wallop by Harry Lorayne. Bruce Cervon also has some work on the move (Novrec Turnover Pass?), if memory serves, in one of his books.
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts
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On 2009-09-10 15:04, Scott F. Guinn wrote: The book is a bit difficult to find, but a facsimile of the book is easily available from lybrary.com for the amazingly low price of $4.00. Less than a trip to Starbucks!
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Eric Fry Regular user 191 Posts
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Roterberg describes the turnover action as a cover for the Herrmann pass, so even the turnover element certainly predates Hugard and Braue.
I agree we can define the Herrmann pass and the turnover pass as two separate moves. For example, that type of pass, but without a turnover action, is the third pass in Hoffmann's Modern Magic. We also can consider the turnover pass a variation on, or a covering action for, the Herrmann pass, the same way people use an up-and-down riffling action as a cover for the classic pass and call it a riffle pass. My lengthy screeds make it seem as if I care a lot about this. I don't. It just bugs me that Hugard and Braue act like they solved the great problem of the invisible pass. |
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AlexMack24 New user Auckland, New Zealand 56 Posts
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On Joshua Jay's 3DVD set "Talk About Tricks", there is a nice subtlety that you can add to any turnover pass to make the angles better.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3226 Posts
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I found the following topics with the search engine. This topic is continued at
Making the Turnover Pass Invisible. See also: Turnover pass (face up or down) Help with Le Paul invisible turnover pass Invisible Turnover Pass Covering the Turnover Pass Turnover pass Turnover pass Fred Braue invisible turnover pass
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