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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
So, we have been talking about this for years, not exactly a surprise, and yet only a relative few doses of vaccine are available. Thinning the herd?
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Are you asking the Café members to do the research you should do so that you can actually know why more swine flu vaccine has not yet been manufactured? Or, are you instead just throwing out specious comments to see if you can get an argument started?
I am truly saddened to see your coarse and glib "Thinning the herd?" comment (suggestion?). To suggest such a reason for the current low quantitiy of the vaccine is, IMHO, utterly without merit and, on many levels (i.e., your suggested genocide rationale and equating humanity with a herd of animals), is offensive in the extreme.
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
I'm not up on all the research, but is it actually more deadly than the normal flu that kills 250,000 to 500,000 a year?(36,000 in the USA alone)
Other than being a different strain, I don't see what all the fuss is about with this H1N1 |
Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
From what I understand it is not expected to have as high a mortality or morbidity rate as the seasonal flu. The reasons that H1N1 have been of interest (again, AFAIK; I am not an expert) is that
1. It is spreading very rapidly; 2. It has been observed from early, so the way it spreads can be studied closely; and 3. H1N1 mutates rapidly, so what it actually does is less predictable than is the case for other flus. Anyone with better information? John
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Ultimately, time will tell.
The CDC was reporting the number of deaths due to H1N1 through the summer, but then stopped doing so towards the end of August. That makes it hard (at least for members of the public) to know how the situation is progressing. Up until the end of August, the number of weekly deaths was growing exponentially at a rate of over 13% per week (over the last 6 weeks of reported data) (the number of deaths was more or less doubling every 6 weeks). A U.S. government report released in the summer predicted 30,000 to 90,000 deaths in the U.S. due to H1N1 this season. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009......ne_N.htm FWIW, the CDC has reported the number of all influenza-associated pediatric deaths so far this year, and compared it to the number of such deaths in recent years: 2005-06: 46 2006-06: 78 2007-08: 88 2008-09: 128 http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Personally, I'd like to see more information released. What has been released in recent weeks seems pretty sketchy.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 20:20, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: All that, John, plus the drug companies are reluctant to try to release such massive doses of the vaccine without the normal years of adquate testing, double blind trials, and other medical testing protocols being implemented. Additonally, I seem to remember reading that the drug companies have requested civil immunity in these regards but that Congress is reluctant to grant such immunity. It that is true, I would suspect that fear of massive lawsuits if meaningful civil liability immunity is not given them (for deaths and injury claimed to have been occasioned by hasty and not fully-tested release and use of these vaccines) might be delaying the development and release of any such vaccine. Finally, all of this massive research and testing is very very expensive. As such I would suspect that the drug companies are also looking for appropriate government subsidization for such efforts. Whether or not they are receiving much, if any, such financial help would bear some looking into.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2009-10-04 21:19, Turk wrote: Do you have links to some sources backing up those statements? Because I'm not sure that they are exactly true. "That doesn't mean, however, that anyone will get an unproven vaccine. The vials will stay right where they are until the testing is completed--and for now, those trials are going well." http://www.time.com/time/health/article/......,00.html
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
"That doesn't mean, however, that anyone will get an unproven vaccine. The vials will stay right where they are until the testing is completed--and for now, those trials are going well."
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/......,00.html
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Odd how so many people get freaked out about the hip new killer disease that's nowhere near as bad as a sizable number of other real diseases.
I remember how we were all going to die because of Avian Flu, Mad Cow Disease, SARS... Give the common cold a cool name or number, let's call it RO9.3, watch the populace scurry about like terrified mice. Fun times.
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