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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
I actually perform mentalism, but there is an effect I do using playing cards. Normally I use Osterlind's technique of having the spec think of a card they see. However, it is not 100% (I'd say around 95%). That's great for normal use, but I'm doing a version of it on live TV and I need something that is 100% and preferably a force so I don't have to worry about forgetting it.
What's the official name of the peek deck where you hand someone a deck with a band around it and they peek at one card, which is of course a force? I always thought it was just "peek deck" but when I went to find one nothing showed up under that name. I'm feeling a bit silly! |
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Zebaztian Special user The Netherlands 655 Posts |
Tossed out deck? Svengali deck with the long card is the force (reverse Svengali)?
My mind reading routines: http://www.basjongenelen.nl/goocheltrucs/. Scroll a bit down to the English routines.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
You're thinking of the Tossed Out Deck where people peek at cards from the deck thrown to them and there are several versions of that routine on the market and in print. The routines evolve from a Hoy idea.
The Peek Deck is something completely different, cards are not forced.It was an idea of Franklyn Taylor's. An early description can be found in J. G. Thompson's book "My Best". More recent thoughts on the deck have been published by Ken Krenzel and Paul Gordon (Paul's "Twin Peeks" appeared in his book "Cool Card Stuff"). There are so MANY good card thought reading routines in print, some good for several people, some good for one. I'm assuming the Osterlind idea you referenced is his Radar Deck. Paolo Cavalli who often posts on the Café had ideas based on that, "Radarama" which appeared in his book with Massimo Tira, "Upsilon". James Swain has a nice approach with three spectators on stage with his routine "A Tribute To Dunninger" to be found in his book "21st Century Card Magic". There's probably a couple of suitable ideas on my own DVD "Clever Card Magic". Maybe you should check out Phil Goldstein's "Three Sided Triangle" from "The Red Book of Mentalism" (now contained in "Prism"). As a mentalist this is surely something you can refer to in your library? Paul. |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Actually, the RADAR deck is not what I'm talking about. It's more of a close-up thing where you flip through the cards and they think of one they see. You immediately know exactly which card they are thinking of. It's just for one person.
Is there really no such thing as a deck that only allows you to peek at one place? I guess what I'm thinking of is the reverse Svengali? |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
BTW, is the reverse Svengali the same as the pop-eyed popper deck? The problem with the reverse Svengali (unless I'm totally misunderstanding) is that you can't show the other side to be normal. I guess there's nothing out there that has one side seemingly normal and the other side a peek force?
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ejohn Special user Atlanta 720 Posts |
If you don't find exactly what you have in mind, suggest a Monte Christo/Mastermind or Mirage (R/S Sven) deck for a clean, easy 100% f----.
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Jerskin Inner circle 2497 Posts |
Psychomatic Deck.
GrEg oTtO
MUNDUS VULT DECIPI |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
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On 2010-05-17 10:38, Paul wrote: Paul, Long time we not chat. I'm glad you remember my RADARAMA idea from the past... Jonathan... Sorry but I must tell that I understand why Parmenion (a member here at the cafè) thought you were just a beginner in this field. Some of your questions... and especially some of your answers (when people as knowledgeable as Paul Hallas give you a list of options that you CAN mix and match to adapt to one person) really dumbfound me!
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Btw, I did not mean any offense with the above, Jonathan, other than what I stated about your questions...
However let me add to the mix... FORCE OF THOUGHT can let you force two cards by just riffling the deck... And you can use it just to force ONE card! But I cannot tell you where to find one at the present moment...
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Force of Thought:
http://www.thetrickery.com/full/Viking-B......8586.htm Good suggestion, I forgot about that one, there are just so many possibilities. Of course, with all the mind reading effects out there, another question is whether playing cards are the best option for demonstrating thought reading for a TV spot. Paolo, I try not to forget the good stuff. Paul. |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Like I said, I don't normally use cards and am definitely a beginner when it comes to card magic (even though I actually started initially using cards to do mental magic, but much of that was my own creations). And the reason I'm using cards for the TV spot is to show the difference between magic and mentalism. Sounds counter-productive, I know, but it really isn't. "In magic you'd trick the deck to find the card they are thinking of, in mentalism you trick the mind into thinking the card you have is the one they were thinking of the entire time" Dig? (it's not thought-reading I'm demonstrating)
There are many areas of magic and even mentalism where I am a newbie even though I've been performing mentalism for over a decade. The reason? Because I didn't spend all my time and money chasing the perfect secret or the newest tricks. I learned the basics, concepts, and principles, created my own stuff and started performing. So, when it comes to many aspects of actually performing and routining I'll put my experience and ability up with just about anybody. But, when it comes to knowing all the ins and outs of every magic effect or mentalism routine, it all depends on if it's something I've read. Knowing what's out there and expanding your knowledge is important, though, so I check in every now and then to find books and publications worth reading. But, ever since I started the move into the corporate market about 8 months ago I've really immersed myself here to learn from as many as I can about the things I haven't needed to pursue up to this point. This thread is a good example. I've never needed a force deck because I've been using the same force for around 11 years. It's as close to perfect as one can get I think. I'll have people hand me a borrowed shuffled deck and (when it's appropriate, i.e. test conditions) have them all watch carefully to make sure I don't force any particular card on them or do any slight of hand. It's fooled every person I've used it on and when I first started out I literally used only that force to do almost all my tricks. One of the first things I ever came up with. So, I've never needed a force deck until now. But, because of this very specific routine I need it to be a very specific way. I should point out, though, that creating brand new techniques is not really my strong suit. I have a few things, like the force, that I like, but most everything I do is just modifications, innovations, and combinations of other people's work. That's why geniuses like Paolo Cavelli and Jerome Finley are so important! That's their gift and they do us all such a big service. And they know that people like me will respect their work, keep it protected and private, do it justice, and expand upon it to make something unique to us. I 100% appreciate the help and work they have given us all and to me personally. I definitely do not take it for granted and hope that I have not offended Paolo at all. I think we misunderstand each other quite a bit, but I believe we actually disagree on very few things if we really sat down and understood exactly what each other was saying. |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Back to the peek deck. I decided to create my own. I'm not sure if it is the same principle as the decks mentioned, but it accomplishes the same thing. Without getting into too many details I didn't use a Svengali deck, I just glued cards in pairs at a very specific spot jogged slightly (creating a Svengali effect on both sides but with different cards). They can be spread out and shown to be normal, then banded and one side is shown normal while the other side forces only one card.
It works great, but I have a concern. How do you prevent specs from accidentally looking at more than one card? Peeking a card in a banded deck can be a bit tricky depending on how you do it. Sometimes the thumb slips and other cards show or part of the thumb pad gets just enough of the card below to lift it about halfway before it releases down. Or perhaps the spec decides to change his mind? Does this ever happen? It happens to me occasionally when I'm doing it myself. |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Jonathan, as I told you I only mentioned that because of what some of your posts seemed to reflect, nothing more.
You explained your lack of knowledge in some areas and I perfectly accept it. No problem whatsoever with you. And I thank you for your kind words about me.
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Thanks, Paolo!
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
How do you prevent specs from accidentally looking at more than one card? Peeking a card in a banded deck can be a bit tricky depending on how you do it. Sometimes the thumb slips and other cards show or part of the thumb pad gets just enough of the card below to lift it about halfway before it releases down. Or perhaps the spec decides to change his mind? Does this ever happen? It happens to me occasionally when I'm doing it myself.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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On 2010-05-18 16:23, Jonathan wrote: That's one reason I personally have never used the Tossed Out Deck, despite it being a favorite of many full time pro's. People can even forget the card they looked at. Those that do use it will probably tell you a forceful personality and hurried approach are the key. Of course, depending on how you've arranged the deck, a slip of a card is not necessarily a problem, and the routine is best used with three people. The late Jack Dean once had a marketed version which involved luggage tags and destinations. Gazzo currently has a DVD out on The Tossed Out Deck which may be worth obtaining and studying if you plan to go that route, and John Archer details his version on his DVD I believe. I'm glad you explained exactly where you were coming from. I recall Annemann had a routine in print wherein he demonstrated the difference between a mentalist and a magician with the use of playing cards, and I've even seen Docc Hilford do something similar. There are so many great mental card routines in print within the mentalism literature I can only assume books are not your preferred information source. Good luck with your TV appearance. Paul. |
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gnosis Regular user 110 Posts |
Jonathan,
You might find some of the following interesting: Titanic Deck: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15 Glimpse 20/20: http://www.online-visions.com/reviews/0805glimpse.html http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15 Proton Deck: http://www.camirandmagic.com/rt_025.html Total Certainty: http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.......m=006542 Also, worth reading through the discussion of the Pop Eyed Popper deck and various other forcing decks and methods: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=203&41 These aren't Tossed-Out-Deck style forces, but you might still find some of them useful. |
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Zebaztian Special user The Netherlands 655 Posts |
Any comments on the Proton Deck?
My mind reading routines: http://www.basjongenelen.nl/goocheltrucs/. Scroll a bit down to the English routines.
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mtoth2008 Regular user 115 Posts |
Zebaztian;
The proton deck uses a very old principal in card magic in a new way that allows the spectator to handle the gaffed deck without suspicion. Three routines are provided with the instructions. They are all relatively easy to perform and yet the impact on the spectators is strong. Mike |
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mtoth2008 Regular user 115 Posts |
Jonathan,
Jerskin is correct. The deck where spectator "peeks" to force one card 100% of the time even though the cards appear to be all different is the PSYCHOMATIC DECK. It is a uniquely constructed gaffed deck that has been available for at least 35 years. This deck can be handled and overhand shuffled by the spectator which makes it quite unique. Mike |
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