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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
My friend Captain Visual the clown insist on CASH in advance.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Many do...
Just another way ta' go.
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
Prior to my previous post!!
Deja Vue I canot believe this has happened over the last few weeks and come to a head this week Payment for 2 well paid cash shows from a top hotel chain never happened at the conclusion of the second night Yes it was in writing & yes it was meant to be there!!!! on the night which was a huge success.. Upon contact I was told it would be sorted 3 days later-no problems from me!! 3 days later it wasnt sorted & I was told a new Invoice was needed as well as bank details to transfer funds 1 week later still no payment-Contacted people who hired me & no response Finally contacted a secondary person who forwarded my request Finally Im told it has been processed by accounts and all is well 3 days later still no payment! so contact person who I know there!-Message has been forwarded to accounts I then ring accounts direct -speak to the person for the first time-Oh Yes my Invoice is on the table for manager to process, might be done in a week or so!!!!!! after a controlled discussion as to why this never happened 2 weeks ago Im assured it would be looked at today & the accounts would ring me by 4pm as to confirm this No call!!! |
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
My letter of agreement states that payment is due immediately before the performance,
if not in advance, unless other terms are mutually agreed upon. On a few occasions where I was stalled on payment, I simply said I was very sorry but had to pack my show and depart, when there is an audience waiting it is amazing how fast the fee appears. I don't generally play hardball, but sometimes, even in a corporate setting it is necessary to meet them on their own ground. My thoughts anyway, Walt |
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
Hey Brent, sounds like you are unfortunately getting the first-class runaround here. Ironically, I'll bet this same hotel chain probably requires payment in full by credit card before they will even give anyone a key to their room . . .
My guess is that they are treating you as just another account payable, like the guy who delivers tomatoes or washes the windows. I would start climbing the management ladder, go over the heads of the grunts you are dealing with. Ask for their supervisor, and then his or her supervisor if necessary! As a last resort, don't forget about Small Claims Court if they have that in New Zealand -- for $50 or less you can drag them into court and usually get results (don't forget to make them reimburse you for the court costs, too). You had a signed contract, you performed your end of the deal, you heard no complaints about anything from them (probably at least not before the suit is filed, anyway!). So it seems like you would have a good case. And obviously, it will probably be quite a while before you work for this outfit again, if ever. SETH
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
Thanks for the comments guys!!!!
The small claims court was a last option but I really didn't want to go down that road so an update this morning about 11.30am- I drove to the hotel!! -spoke to 2 managers then was escorted into the accounts dept Had a polite discussion with them, they have apologised and are sorting the matter today for me, the management who sign off these things is still away so not really account lady fault as she cant processwithout permission even though weeks have passed!! Tomorrow all should be sorted with the finance transferred to my account-Yahoo!! I hate chasing accounts but hopefully all done now by showing up on the door.........once bitten twice shy!! Thanks for the feedback |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
John Cooper once shared the idea of having 2 prices on your contract.
Price one is your "discounted price", that you are to be paid at the show (or in advance). This is the price you quote on the phone. Price two is your "full price" (which is higher), that you are to be paid on the day immediately following the show, if they don't pay you on time. You don't label the full price as a late payment fee or anything like that. Just use the wording of discounted vs. full price. They qualify for the discount because they are paying you at the show (or in advance). Sometimes, penalties help to motivate people. - Donald P.S. Needless to say, whenever I call to confirm a show a couple of days in advance, I remind them that payment is due at the show. I remind them of the amount, how it is to be paid, ask them how they'd like the receipt, etc. I find I have few problems.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
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On 2010-06-03 22:09, Brent McLeod wrote: Showing up at the door with a piece of paper can work wonders, it's true!
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2475 Posts |
Brent McLeod: I have NEVER accepted a purchase order or anything like the arrangement you described, without having to go way out of my way and call and write and wait weeks because someone "is on vacation" before the check is issued.
Like you, it makes me wish I had never agreed to any such arrangement. |
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Mystical Matthew Elite user 468 Posts |
You know, I wonder if there would be value to having a "Deadbeat Database". A private site for professional / semi-professional magicians where when we could record information about clients who stiff, hassle, or screw us...
The idea being we could check it as we book shows and avoid potential problems. It would be mutually beneficial for everyone. I've heard doctors have a database where they can check if you've ever filed a malpractice suite or made complaints... Perhaps something similar for magicians? Don't mind me... I'm just thinking out loud ;-). |
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marknem7 Elite user 497 Posts |
Great idea, Matthew!
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
I have certain niche markets where the terms on my invoice are "payment upon arrival" and as soon as I arrive I ask to see the person that contracted for me, and then politley say "I believe you have an envelope/something for me". I have never had to exercise the "walk out" option in these cases.
With companies if you offer a payment discount, ie. 2% - 10 days (they get a 2% discount if they pay the invoice within 10 days), the accounting department has been advised to take the discountt and get the money out. You can always create your own schedule for discounts to envcourage prompt or early payment. Blair
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
Great advice from Blair!
Ive never really had a problem with clients paying but this organisation are really slow even with a contract..... |
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