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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
The Good, Bad & The Ugly of AGT!
=> PART ONE, The Rant: I certainly don’t mind sharing that I think it is a REAL Talent Travesty that, for the sake of TV Ratings on a so-called “Talent Show/Compatition” that some of those first & second-round acts went thru! – Pathetic! Come on… ‘Rohnert’???!!! (or how-ever you pronounce it… and it wasn’t JUST him, but he is the most OBVIOUS one!) The so-called ‘impressionist or actor’ was horrible and NOT a talent at-all! – It was an embarrassment! Oh sure, I KNOW why they did it… it makes for so-called “interesting TV”, but for me, it takes away a VALUABLE slot for one of the acts that truly IS a ‘talented act’ and truly deserving of a real chance to be in the competition! – CRAP! I am not ‘holier than thou’ AND I give them their kudos for TRYING, but let’s be honest, THIS IS A MILLION DOLLAR, 90 Minute Las Vegas Show Compatition and NOT just another ‘William (She Bang) Houng’ type move… I get that, (as a BUSINESS Person…) BUT some REAL Talent just lost out and THAT is totally misrepresentative of NBC and the producers of the show offered as a “Talent Show & Competition” and not some ‘just for ratings’ monster that A.G.T. is famous for chewing up and spitting out! => PART TWO, The Reality: Look at what the acts DO get: = A Killer, Broadcast Quality, Muti-Camera Video Production! (Regardless of the act quality...) = Massive and Free Viral Marketing... massive! = Exposure! (Again, good or bad!) …and more. Look at what they do NOT get in their best interest: (Not Exclusively... but you understand) = For Most... NOT The 'BEST' representation of their talents. = Usually, a Raw-Deal and NOT a Fair Shake based on those real talents. = Chewed-Up and Spit-Out on National TV and All Over The internet World! = Possible contract law suites due to use of said video, use of AGT Brand… etc …and more. I get that everyone ‘volunteers’ for all of it and have ZERO Control over the edited outcome and clearly there is a TON of “The GOOD, The BAD as well as The UGLY” with AGT and I think it is a good idea to look at this from a BUSINESS Perspective and see what we can learn here… what say YOU? Deano (curious) in Reno <><
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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
I was thinking about the same thing and my only explanation is...controversy sells. By putting through acts that people don't deem "as good as the others," people begin to talk about the show and how stupid the choice was.
It is kind of a good idea until they get to a point where it becomes obvious that they're not letting in the ones with real talent. They seemed to be focused on putting on a show rather than finding talent and that will probably be the downfall of AGT. |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Oh clearly it IS for the controversy... that is not even a question. Like it or not, it IS effective marketing, but it is FUNNY how this sort of folly doesn’t seam to happen with "American Idle" in this manner.
Sure some get more attention than others, but that is different that he producers and judges ruining it for genuinely qualified talented participants... All That said... there still is a LOT of "business" lesson to be gleaned from AGT whether we 'like' what they do or not... Thanks Benji... Remember to send me your number and best time for our chat, OK? (Your FB Mssge!) I am, as always, at your service and in HIS Service, Dean <><
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
Y'know - my little city does a "talent" type thing every year. Mostly singers, so I don't know if I'd even fit in unless they hav more than one category. And even so, I doubt I have anything good enough to win. But the exposure and video along could be worth the embarassment.
Never saw it like that before. Thanks, Dean! Ed |
tacrowl Inner circle Maryland 1633 Posts |
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On 2010-07-08 15:35, TheDean wrote: They are not on T.V. to provide a time slot to anyone. They make no money from showing a talented act. If the act uses them to promote its own career, they do not benefit. Quote:
On 2010-07-08 17:41, Benji Bruce wrote: I hate to state the obvious but - they are putting on a show. Ratings mean money. Concerning the national TV "talent searches", they all have an agenda - making money. It is extremely hard for a variety act to provide a routine that fits within the confines of their format. Does that mean the act is no good? Of course not. It just means it isn't right for the producer's vision of the show. This season's Last Comic Standing aired a short talking segment of an audition I did in New York. I didn't go through and the judges offered favorable comments, including the fact I wasn't what they were looking for. I figured they wouldn't use me at all so I did a brief adlib that actually got me air time. While I was at the club, they had over 40 acts walk across that stage. They don't show a lot - and never aired some acts that actually made it to the evening showcase. The key to these shows is knowing what they are and how they operate. Do your homework before you go or you could be wasting your time. Tom |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Hehehehe… Thank Tom! I’m pretty sure we all (most of us) COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND they are in business to make money... ratings, sponsor sales and of course the ensuing profit… Right?
I think we also realize they are NOT in this for the sole purpose of ‘creating slots’ for wannabe performers just cuz some performer “WANTS” it to be that way. I think the simple point of MY share was: (and is) AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME; This show is purported, promised and advertized to be a "Million Dollar TALENT Content" with the winner of the show supposed to get "Their OWN 90 Minute Las Vegas Review Show..." Having done that many times on my own and for others (Forget all the spin-off shows, contracts and events for whom-ever…), it is CLEARLY NOT a GONG-Type Variety show at this point in the game. We “GET” that they DO apply 'controversy' for ratings and ultimately MONEY... again, duh. (NOT being mean, just stating we ‘get-it’ too…) It IS however disingenuous of them to keep the a few of the acts that OBVIOULSLY have zero talent or real chance “at this stage in the game... I DO think ‘at this stage of the game’ (The Million Dollar Contest) they DO have a responsibility to the public, their sponsors and the real contestants to do what they SAID they would do. The funny, silly, outrageous, amazing… what-ever, part of the “AUDITIONS” (Like American Idol) are OVER now… it is time to move on to the ‘million dollar contest’ now. YES, (obviously) I have my own ideas, feeling and thoughts about all of this. THAT is WHY I posted them here quite open and honestly manner. I tried to separate my “rant” form the “reality” of television promotion and show business… Too, I am VERY familiar with TV and more specifically, the AGT Business construct for many reasons... I know most all of the (mostly magic) acts are real friends and have talked and interviewed at length more of the acts that did and did-not ever see air-time. I DO, in fact KNOW quite a bit about AGT. (Maybe more that I really care to know... hehehe!) Having DONE my homework on this… And the REAL Question and POINT was: (and still is…) = WHAT Can We LEARN From this? = Is what is going on NOW “Marketing or Manipulation”? …and the other questions I posed. Whoo Hoo! Thank You, Dean <><
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tacrowl Inner circle Maryland 1633 Posts |
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On 2010-07-09 03:16, TheDean wrote: Yesterday was a long day Dean, sorry if I misunderstood your post. I was tired. I'm not certain I understand your second question. Marketing IS a form of manipulation. |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Not worried Tom, just responding in the course of our discussion. That is what we do here, right. No Worries bud!
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TOM: - "Marketing IS a form of manipulation." I would respectfully submit that, 'when done properly’; marketing should NOT have to resort to 'manipulation'. As I see it, marketing, if done correctly is supposed to ASSIST people in getting what they want, need and desire WITH-OUT undue ‘manipulation’. I agree there may be a fine line and, as always, is open to individual interpretation, but it is MY Belief (One that has served me very well…) that NO ONE likes to be ‘manipulated’, especially for the purposes of being sold harkening back to the age-old-adage: “People DON’T Like To Be SOLD! They Do LOVE To Buy!” If we are truly effective in sales, persuasion and influence, we are genuinely assisting the appropriate relationship to arrive at the right and proper buying decision for them. …which, to me, is completely different than ‘manipulation’ making MARKETING a much hire calling and relationship process. Certainly you are welcome to disagree… no probemo, no hard feelings. It is my job in any influence opportunity to HELP and not as much to SELL and I am a HUUUUGE fan of ‘effective’ MARKETING. (especially with-out ‘manipulation’.) ...I will add, that it has taken me years to (and NOT perfectly) arrive at theses decisions and outcomes and so I do NOT submit them lightly. - - Besides, WHO (any one who is of real character and substance) really wants to 'MANIPULATE' anyone into doing something that is NOT in their best and highest good JUST to flex there power to 'manipulate'? YES, I DO Agree that ‘manipulation’ does exist… there are course after course on how to mindlessly & unduly ‘manipulate’nto getting what you want from them, personally I much rather assit people in getting more of what THEY want, need and desire and help them arrive and the right and proper desion 'for them and their situation'. YES, even if that means NOT getting a gig that is better served for someone else. I gave away 3 gigs last week, but massively helped my relationship with a much higher event outcome based on their genuine wants, needs and desired outcomes! – I will serve these amazing people for LIFE cuz they KNOW I have their best interest at heart! …but that is me. NOT telling, just sharing. THANK YOU TOM! = = = = So, back to the discussion… what lessons can we learn from AGT. I started the ball in my first post, anyone want to add to the question? Whoo Hoo! I am, as always, at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (helping people arrive at the right and proper decision) in Reno ><>
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Dean, I see it as an attempt at Manipulation. But I don't think it is going to work the way AGT is doing it.
Why gain a few viewers and at the same time lose many? I have watched every episode since the show started. It's the only TV show that I watch regularly. I'm probably the biggest fan. But I am very disappointed with this season. It has been very clear that many have been put through for show only. One or two would have been ok, but to highlight as many bad acts as they have this year is going too far. It's an insult to the loyal fans and it does nothing to gain new viewers. Unless they doing it because they feel like they don't really have any standout talent this year, (or it's become a do or die thing for them and they going for broke)I just don't see why they going in this direction. Lesson: It's never good business to lose three to get one. Sometimes you just need to stop and use good ole common sense. But yes I agree, those on the show can still use the appearance to their benefit. Tom
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
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TOM: - "Dean, I see it as an attempt at Manipulation. But I don't think it is going to work the way AGT is doing it. BINGO! You are DEAD-ON brother Tom! Is ther value for the folks who have been on? - SURE, You Betcha! - LOTS! Thanks bud! Dean <><
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tacrowl Inner circle Maryland 1633 Posts |
Dean,
You totally missed my point. You confused my meaning as being manipulative for the wrong purpose - which some marketing can be. BUT - any time you use - in your words: Quote:
TheDean: persuasion and influence, you are manipulating the situation. It SHOULD be in the client's best interest, but it doesn't mean you aren't using a form of manipulation. Kudos to you for giving away gigs you weren't right for. If more acts did that rather than just look at gigs as a check, the business would be much better off. |
TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Let me add, I don't watch it to just see the magicians either, I enjoy all the acts.
But honestly,the way it is going this season, I'm starting to wonder if there really is a million dollar prize. Is that just part of the show too? See that's what happens when fans/customers start questioning you. Trust is very important. Tom
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Whoo Hoo... THANKS TOM!
I fully understood your meaning Tom. I realize that ‘manipulation’ does not HAVE TO BE a bad word in this case… Tony Robbins uses this example: “If a mother ‘manipulates’ her child to prevent them from running out the middle of a busy street keeping them safe from harm, is ‘manipulation’ a bad thing?” And in principle I would agree… but is still IS ‘manipulation’ even if it is used to a desirable end. WORDS (in context) DO have power and meaning and so (at-least) for the sake of this conversation I “WOULD” like to make a distinction and demarcation in the words we choose and use! Is the word ‘manipulation’ always bad? – No, but if we are to make important distinctions & effective communications, we also must agree on their mutually understood ‘meanings’. I apologize if you thought I mean you harm or that I misunderstood… I am sorry. SO, to be clear, even though the word manipulation CAN be meant to positive ends, it s largely interpreted (outside of insider buzz-lingo of persuasion) IN THIS CONTEXT to be “Manipulative” is not a good thing… and yes, like I said, I understand the usual acceptation to the interpretation, but there is a REASON we almost always have to ‘qualify’ the natural negative contention of the word to be accepted as a possible ‘good’ meaning as well. – That is a ‘stretch’ to any normal conversation. I coined and used to use the phrase; “Positive Controversy” when working with several national campaigns (Like The Original “Just Say NO!” Project…) many years ago. To the degree we intended it, it worked, but outside of the culture of the few who understood, it meat with ‘mis-understanding, confusion and communications resistance’ and found that too often, we had to EXPLAIN Ourselves and our choice of words meaning… such is the case here with this one word. Understanding that here, I apologize for not having made that distinction of understanding more publically… Not sure we should have to ‘explain whet we mean’ when choosing words when there are ‘normally’ accepted understandings instead of or in-lue of the broader accepted understanding. NOT sure if this is where we mean to go (and I DO NOT want to have a ‘words’ debate… hehehe) for MY EXAMPLE, ‘Manipulation’ is not the good word it’s cracked up to be… even though I DO understand in some cases, in this context, the word can also be used as neutral or occasionally positive, but it is a stretch outside of the norm. Sorry to get 'off-track'. Just MY thoughts… THANK YOU SO MUCH TOM for making that distinction in our understanding! You Rock! Deano (understands) in Reno <>< PS YES TOM (another Tom... hehehe) TRUST is a prize that is not easly earned and should be garded carefully. - Hey we've all blown it, or at-least other peple THINK we have! (Hahahahaha!) Yes, I have genuinly blown it and on other times... not so much but the judge, jury and exocutioner in all of us unduely comes out sometimes... Ha!
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magicPhred New user 44 Posts |
Read the fine print at the end o the show. The Million dollar prize is payable over forty years in the form of an anuity. Or, they can take a reduced amount (likely around 350 - 400 thousand) in a lump sum. It is how anuities work, which baffles me somewhat, but a quick google search explains a lot.
Not that I would say no, but $1,000,000 certainly sounds a whole lot better to me than 25,000$ a year for 40 years. |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Hehehehehehe...
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